Division 1 road victories

[dylanrocks]

Here are the NCAA Division 1 leaders in men's basketball road victories (neutral and semi-road/home games are not included):

6-- Bucknell, Iona, Marist

5 -- Milwaukee, Nevada, Northern Iowa, Montana, S. Alabama, Northwestern St. (La.)

At quick look at these scores on collegerpi.com reveals that many of these games went down to the wire. I think these numbers are significant.

[Deleted]

Nice information Dylan. It will definetly give the NCAA committee something to think about if we somehow blow the conference tourney.

[Womack]

The committee needs nothing to look at right now if we dont win the conference tourney...We have already lost to Tennessee Tech and UWGB..Two teams that we had no business losing to...That will be what they see along with no key victory other than maybe the bracket buster depending on who we get

[bball30]

get a clue womack... teams get at large bids with more then 2 bad losses, not saying uwm will, but for the sake of argument stay calm

[dylanrocks]

Here are the leaders in NCAA Division 1 men's basketball true road victories (RPI top 50 only):

7 -- Bucknell, Iona

6 -- Memphis, Northern Iowa, Wichita State

5, Milwaukee, George Mason, Gonzaga, Southern Illinois, UNC-Wilmington

[milwsport]

We can make that six now ;D

[SRT4driver]

Updated through todays games:

Leaders in NCAA Division 1 men's basketball true road victories (RPI top 50 only):

7 -- Bucknell, Iona

6 -- Memphis, Northern Iowa, Milwaukee, Wichita State, Georgetown, UNC-Wilmington

5, Villanova, Gonzaga, Boston College, Southern Illinois, George Mason

[Womack]

You want me to get a clue? Take a look at the past pal...We were NOT goign to get an at large last year and look how good we were...Certainly better than this team..We will NOT get an at large bid even if we win out the rest of the season if we dont win the conference tourney..Trust me I dont think its fair and I think we will have earned that but the tourney committee will look at our SOS and that will not be sufficient to carry us to the glory land

The facts are the facts...Stop living on cloud 9

bball30 said:

get a clue womack... teams get at large bids with more then 2 bad losses, not saying uwm will, but for the sake of argument stay calm

[nohopspanther]

Womack, no team with an RPI below 34 has ever been left out of the tournament. If the only game UWM loses the rest of the way is the Tourney championship they're in.

[SRT4driver]

Realistically...we're probly not gonna win out.
But you also need to be realistic Womack, if we do win out in the regular season we're a lock, plain and simple.
Even if we lose our opening rd. game in the HL semi's, we'd have a top 25 RPI and be a lock.
FWIW, when Butler was left out at 26-6 in what was considered a HUGE snub, their RPI was TRIPLE that! Simply a top 50 RPI would have gotten them in that year IMO, as evidenced by the several sub-50 at larges given that year:
kenpom.com/rpi.php?y=2002

[hueyp]

My (hopefully coherent) two cents:

No conference has ever had the format that the Horizon League now has, where the regular-season winner gets byes in the first couple of rounds and has home court advantage guaranteed throughout the conference tournament.

So far, for UWM and the Horizon League, this has been a blessing. It was designed to minimize the chance of a low seed upsetting a higher seed on a neutral court and ending up with a championship game between two mediocre Horizon League schools at a third school's empty arena in front of a national television audience. For the first two years it has worked like a charm. Top seeds, great crowds, huzzah, huzzah!

Here is the downside of the system as I see it: It tilts the tourney so much in favor of the conference champ that we may never see two teams from the Horizon make the tourney in one year again.

If the regular season champ wins it, as we did last year, the NCAA will take that team and discount the others. (I don't think any 2nd or 3rd place team will have a strong enough regular season and non-conference record to impress the committee) If a lower seed wins the automatic bid, I think it will be hard for the committee to give the regular season champs an at large bid, since the format so heavily favors the regular season champ that the committee will take a dim view of losing on the home court.

(Remember, when Butler and Milwaukee both went 3 tourneys ago, we did not have the new format completely implemented and though Butler was the regular season champs, they lost to us on our home court. We got the automatic bid and they got an at large, due to some big non-con wins. I believe under the current format, if we had beaten them at Hinkle, we would have gotten the automatic bid and the NCAA would left them out, fairly or not. Mid Majors always get the shaft.)

So to say that this or that has never happened before, in terms of RPI, etc. is fine, just remember that a conference has never had a tourney so thoroughly designed to hand the NCAA bid to its regular season champ on a silver platter before.

OK, four cents.

P.S. I'd like to be in the Erik Schten (sp?) fan club.

[SRT4driver]

You're very right, but I'd have to say the positives FAR outweigh the negatives with this format. Who wants to see the league end up with only one bid anyway from upsets in the HL tourney, and it go to a near .500 team who gets a 15 seed and gets shellacked in the 1st rd?

If Butler had lost in this format in 2002, the Horizon likely would have been a 2 bid league instead of 1, so it can work both ways IMO.

And who's to say the HL won't soon be having multiple at-large worthy teams again, and sending two or three to the Dance as it has in years past? Granted, this format helps prevent one particular way for that to happen. But it would have still happenned in the past with it, and I think it will again despite it. Overall it's a good thing, and for more reasons than one.

[Hack]

FYI ... the West Coast Conference (featuring Gonzaga) also uses the same tournament format as the Horizon. Both conferences adopted the format in 2003.

wccsports.collegesports.com/ot/west-baskbl-tournament.html

[milwsport]

My two cents is this.

I think the current format gives a better chance of two bids. It guarantees that if the reg season champ loses in the tourney it will be in a later round. And if the regular season champ has a good rpi and record it's going to go.

I agree with those who say that if UWM's RPI is in 20's or 30's it will get a bid regardless of what happens in the tourney. (Of course the trick is to keep the RPI where it is now)

[dylanrocks]

I'll side with history and say that a 30-something RPI will get Milwaukee into the tournament field. At some point in time Gonzaga had to break the mold and turn the West Coast Conference into a two-bid league. Incidentally, the notion that the host school (UWM) had to win the Horizon League Tournament was a position argued strenuously by bracketologist Joe Lunardi in the days leading up to Selection Sunday. As we all are now well-aware, Lunardi was very wrong about his projection of Milwaukee as a No. 14 seed (though I believe he was correct that UWM would have been omitted from the field of 65). In addition, it must be noted the UWM has a markedly higher RPI at this moment than it did a year ago and has since made a run to the Sweet 16. You can remove the human factor from the computer rankings, but you can't possibly erase it from the members of the selection committee.