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Post by reginaldkdwight on Feb 24, 2024 11:26:08 GMT -6
BJ certainly missed a box out there. At the same time, he's a big reason we weren't down 20+ at halftime. He's also a big reason the Youngstown bigs fouled out, as his drives and dishes got them moving rather than being able to stay stationary in the restricted area and swat everything. Throw in the fact he played the most minutes of everyone on our team, doubled up his average for assists and blocks with 8 and 2 respectively along with roughly hitting his other stats, and I'm willing to cut the dude some slack. It's pretty surprising (and sad) to me, that people want to nitpick a single play without considering all the other positives he brought to the game. We don't sniff overtime without his contributions. But yeah, dwell on the fact he got dunked on while trying to draw a charge and didn't box out once in OT. No one else on the team made one mistake the whole game! For the record, three of our players went a combined 7-31 from the floor which is good for 23%. The "best" of those players shot a smooth 27% from the field while the worst shot a cool (or should I say icy) 14%. Nitpick? You mean him leaving shooters wide open in the corner in the first half then looking to the bench saying my bad multiple times? What about him hustling back on a missed fast break that he easily gets the rebound but instead he assumed the first break would be finished while a YSU player did hustle back and got the board and scored? Its not like he was efficient on the offensive end last night. So if you arent gonna block out arent gonna hustle on defense and arent gonna be good on offense what is it? The guy BJ was yapping at all night Lovelace sonned BJ late in the game with pure hustle plays.
He didnt try to draw a charge dude he got put on a poster thats a lazy play that you should be making a guy earn those foul shots contesting the ball it was not anywhere close to being a charge. He was caught out not hustling back. Thats the best dunk of the season in this league.
Did I say no one else made mistakes? When your usage rate is over 30 percent you are going to bear the brunt of the critiques on this team. What I have harped on all year Bart even touched on in his post game presser. "Not playing for each other, Getting down on other players for little mistakes, Not playing tough or hustling"
Lots was made about getting their bigs out of the game but we lost the minutes when 45 and 10 both werent in the game. Im convinced some of you don't watch the little things or zone out when we are on defense. BJ ran hard one time last night, when he ran a fast break into 45 and caused a foul. If you can run that hard on offense with the ball theres no reason you cant sprint back on defense. Its contagious when your "best" player isnt held accountable for missed rotations or not hustling while the rest of the team is.
Please stop playing Ham he plays himself out of position and makes silly fouls being out of control.
Atleast we didnt get any Techs, even though coach was working for one in OT. I hated that call too, but it took the team out of focus with like 3 minutes left down 5, there was plenty of time left to mount one last comeback and that seemed to resign our team to the loss.
Freeman is maybe the most frustrating player we have had in my 25 years of being a fan. Guy has all the ability to be the clear best player in the league but for a variety of reasons it just doesnt fully click.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Feb 24, 2024 11:26:59 GMT -6
I’d love to know what coach said the game ain’t fair. My bet would be Michael Cooper. Is that who went over to the DJ to have him play Pooh Shiesty during one of the time out breaks? I dont think ive ever seen that before.
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Post by FTA1982 on Feb 24, 2024 11:52:26 GMT -6
My bet would be Michael Cooper. Is that who went over to the DJ to have him play Pooh Sheisty during one of the time out breaks? I dont think ive ever seen that before. Was this for real? If so, it's a total LOL moment for me. My biggest issue is the team not being ready to play in the first half and I feel a lot of that is on the staff. The focus isn't there. We have players trying eastbay dunks in the layup line and not working on game shots. It was clear Langston had no interest in playing last night which was disappointing because we needed his length. Lundy's postgame was on point. Chemistry and toughness haven't been consistent. Outhustled on the defensive glass, not hustling back on defense. 5'9" Langdon getting a put back and 1 was an embarrassment. The smallest guy on the floor outhustled everyone and got a finish at the rim. That should never happen. Thank god for Franklin last night. Without his rebounding inside, we probably get walked off the floor in the 1st half. Top 4 is likely gone and that's a bummer. It's going to be an uphill battle winning on the road in the quarters. Hopefully we get GB who seem to be fading and it will be a game we can travel to.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Feb 24, 2024 11:55:12 GMT -6
Is that who went over to the DJ to have him play Pooh Sheisty during one of the time out breaks? I dont think ive ever seen that before. Was this for real? If so, it's a total LOL moment for me. My biggest issue is the team not being ready to play in the first half and I feel a lot of that is on the staff. The focus isn't there. We have players trying eastbay dunks in the layup line and not working on game shots. It was clear Langston had no interest in playing last night which was disappointing because we needed his length. Lundy's postgame was on point. Chemistry and toughness haven't been consistent. Outhustled on the defensive glass, not hustling back on defense. 5'9" Langdon getting a put back and 1 was an embarrassment. The smallest guy on the floor outhustled everyone and got a finish at the rim. That should never happen. Thank god for Franklin last night. Without his rebounding inside, we probably get walked off the floor in the 1st half. Top 4 is likely gone and that's a bummer. It's going to be an uphill battle winning on the road in the quarters. Hopefully we get GB who seem to be fading and it will be a game we can travel to. 100 Percent Legit, walked over the DJ said something and the DJ went to
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Post by ghostofpbj on Feb 24, 2024 11:57:34 GMT -6
Is that who went over to the DJ to have him play Pooh Sheisty during one of the time out breaks? I dont think ive ever seen that before. Was this for real? If so, it's a total LOL moment for me. My biggest issue is the team not being ready to play in the first half and I feel a lot of that is on the staff. The focus isn't there. We have players trying eastbay dunks in the layup line and not working on game shots. It was clear Langston had no interest in playing last night which was disappointing because we needed his length. Lundy's postgame was on point. Chemistry and toughness haven't been consistent. Outhustled on the defensive glass, not hustling back on defense. 5'9" Langdon getting a put back and 1 was an embarrassment. The smallest guy on the floor outhustled everyone and got a finish at the rim. That should never happen. Thank god for Franklin last night. Without his rebounding inside, we probably get walked off the floor in the 1st half. Top 4 is likely gone and that's a bummer. It's going to be an uphill battle winning on the road in the quarters. Hopefully we get GB who seem to be fading and it will be a game we can travel to. Was just gonna say Franklin was HUGE last night. He needs to be a full time starter. No more toying with lineups
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Post by FTA1982 on Feb 24, 2024 12:01:38 GMT -6
One other thing, can we just let the staters play when they open up a lead in the beginning of the game? We went to our bench up 14-7 and that immediately evaporated to a 21-14 deficit.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 24, 2024 15:43:59 GMT -6
Freeman is maybe the most frustrating player we have had in my 25 years of being a fan. Guy has all the ability to be the clear best player in the league but for a variety of reasons it just doesnt fully click. I know he is one of my most frustrating players. Mrs. Cactus too. I don't know how many times I heard her complain about him when watching games, even before it became fashionable for some on this message board to do it. The Panthers are now 3-9 against peer competition with BJ and 4-3 without. Generally, peer competition includes only D1 opponents that are not sub 100 or 350+ in NET rankings. Don't like my "peer competition" splits? Panthers are 9-11 overall with BJ and 5-3 without. D1 college basketball is results oriented. At least it is in my mind. Whether considering records against only peer competition or overall, these splits are what they are. We, of all fan bases, should understand a player's talent, real or perceived, does not by itself relate to team success. We went through this just two years ago with someone who subsequently was picked in the first round of the NBA draft. Fortunately there is still time for the individual talent to generate team success this season.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 24, 2024 15:55:09 GMT -6
Best +/- was +12 for Faizon Fields in 28 minutes.
Worst +/- was -17 for Langston Wilson in only just over 8 minutes. Ouch.
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Post by mattg on Feb 24, 2024 22:12:29 GMT -6
One other thing, can we just let the staters play when they open up a lead in the beginning of the game? We went to our bench up 14-7 and that immediately evaporated to a 21-14 deficit. Had nothing to do with the bench, that was purely shooting variance normalizing. We started the game raining 3pters at an obviously unsustainable rate while generating no quality looks at the rim or anywhere else (which was a problem the whole game). Naturally the 3pt shooting came back to earth and the lead disappeared.
Honestly, Bart still can't figure out who to play and it's infuriating. Langston Wilson should NEVER EVER play since he's not actually good at anything. Murchison is better and deserves all those minutes both right now and to develop going forward. By the same token, choosing to play Ham major minutes while not playing Davis is ASININE. That's an unacceptable decision that I'd love to hear the rationale for. Those are game losing coaching choices. Again, it feels like the coaching staff is out of their depth for even the lowest level division 1 basketball.
Rough game all around. BJ had a couple big buckets and nice dump offs...but overall he hurt us way more than he helped. Awful defense, NEVER hustling (even though Bart literally is yelling "SPRINT" every single time we go from offense to defense), getting clowned by Lovelace in OT, etc. All this talk from Lundy in pressers about toughness, accountability, getting down on ourselves...it starts with BJ. I've said it alllllll year, when you best player or perceived best player has a bad attitude it poisons the whole team.. Factor in that Bart can't remotely reel him in/hold him accountable for what he does while other guys get yanked and sat, it's led to this awful team dynamic.
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Post by Petes on Feb 25, 2024 1:58:15 GMT -6
I know he is one of my most frustrating players. Mrs. Cactus too. I don't know how many times I heard her complain about him when watching games, even before it became fashionable for some on this message board to do it. The Panthers are now 3-9 against peer competition with BJ and 4-3 without. Generally, peer competition includes only D1 opponents that are not sub 100 or 350+ in NET rankings. Don't like my "peer competition" splits? Panthers are 9-11 overall with BJ and 5-3 without. D1 college basketball is results oriented. At least it is in my mind. Whether considering records against only peer competition or overall, these splits are what they are. We, of all fan bases, should understand a player's talent, real or perceived, does not by itself relate to team success. We went through this just two years ago with someone who subsequently was picked in the first round of the NBA draft. Fortunately there is still time for the individual talent to generate team success this season. You are an idiot trying to pick certain stats to push a completely false narrative Try better. Same to you Reggie. All you have done is try to push your same 2 points all year that no one has attached too.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 25, 2024 7:42:01 GMT -6
Pete's, all I have done regarding the BJ debate is state objective facts that happen to contradict your narrative. In the NKU thread I reached out to ask for any explanation and rationale for the team record splits with and without BJ. A few posters, on both sides of the debate, have expressed theories for the discrepancy. We have yet to see an explanation from you.
Setting emotional reaction aside, what is your rationale for 4-3 vs 3-9 records against peers, or 5-3 vs 9-11 overall?
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 25, 2024 8:52:39 GMT -6
Rough game all around. BJ had a couple big buckets and nice dump offs...but overall he hurt us way more than he helped. Awful defense, NEVER hustling (even though Bart literally is yelling "SPRINT" every single time we go from offense to defense), getting clowned by Lovelace in OT, etc. All this talk from Lundy in pressers about toughness, accountability, getting down on ourselves...it starts with BJ. I've said it alllllll year, when you best player or perceived best player has a bad attitude it poisons the whole team.. Factor in that Bart can't remotely reel him in/hold him accountable for what he does while other guys get yanked and sat, it's led to this awful team dynamic. Very interesting take that serves as another response to the splits discrepancy question. I'd stop short of stating BJ "never" hustles. Maybe he "doesn't always hustle"? That aside, the takeaway is that success in team sports goes far beyond the X's and O's. Group dynamics come into play. You may be on to something Matt.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Feb 25, 2024 12:13:58 GMT -6
I know he is one of my most frustrating players. Mrs. Cactus too. I don't know how many times I heard her complain about him when watching games, even before it became fashionable for some on this message board to do it. The Panthers are now 3-9 against peer competition with BJ and 4-3 without. Generally, peer competition includes only D1 opponents that are not sub 100 or 350+ in NET rankings. Don't like my "peer competition" splits? Panthers are 9-11 overall with BJ and 5-3 without. D1 college basketball is results oriented. At least it is in my mind. Whether considering records against only peer competition or overall, these splits are what they are. We, of all fan bases, should understand a player's talent, real or perceived, does not by itself relate to team success. We went through this just two years ago with someone who subsequently was picked in the first round of the NBA draft. Fortunately there is still time for the individual talent to generate team success this season. You are an idiot trying to pick certain stats to push a completely false narrative Try better. Same to you Reggie. All you have done is try to push your same 2 points all year that no one has attached too. Youre right his sub 40 percent shooting percentage on high volume totally outweighs the bad D.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Feb 25, 2024 13:53:22 GMT -6
I think a good comparison for BJ is Jordan Aaron. When Jordan Aaron was on, the team was so difficult to beat. We don’t make the run through the Horizon League tournament that year without him.
But he was also a big reason we had so many lopsided losses that year and finished dead last the year before.
Maybe the best way to think of him is saying that without him, we are a middle of the pack Horizon League team. With him, we are probably still a middle of the pack Horizon League team, but one that is capable of making a big run when it matters most.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 25, 2024 16:29:46 GMT -6
Maybe the best way to think of (BJ) is saying that without him, we are a middle of the pack Horizon League team. With him, we are probably still a middle of the pack Horizon League team, but one that is capable of making a big run when it matters most. Yes. Like today!
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