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Post by TBone on Nov 15, 2023 21:35:27 GMT -6
I honestly don't know if even the tightest defense from us was going to change this kind of game. Colorado is GS level tonight. Good defense or no. For the record, I don't think that any of us are talking about actually winning the game. My take (and my understanding of nearly all other posts) is that we didn't COMPETE. Essentially from the tip there was no competing. I was hoping there would be some fight in the second half, but not much. There was a lot of shrugging shoulders after made buckets from CU from the get go, a lot of why didn't you ...? Communication is a key to playing defense and it didn't appear there was much of any communication last night on the defensive side until after CU made another basket. Having watched most all of the games last year and this year, I've never seen a Lundy-coached team look this out of it, overmatched and almost disinterested in playing. Maybe it was a long travel schedule combined with the altitude, but it was UGLY. It's true that we just played our two most difficult games, and if this was the only stinker so far, I'd feel better. But there wasn't much of any defense against a D3 team and we let them hang around for 30 minutes. We still haven't found a consistent scorer outside of BJ and Pratt. I've often wondered why Howell is still on the team as he doesn't seem to have the quickness or athleticism that the rest of the roster has, but I saw why last night. He hustles. Kid gives you 120% every night, and this team needs that example. It wouldn't hurt if there were another player or two that would do that as well. Good news is, we've got some time to iron out some wrinkles before League play. We've got one of the most talented groups in the Horizon. We'll find out if we have one of the best TEAMS in the Horizon soon enough.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Nov 15, 2023 23:51:00 GMT -6
I don't buy the elevation or travel excuse. Heck, I was in North Carolina oner the weekend. I went from Asheville to Phoenix on Monday, then Phoenix to Boulder on Tuesday. I didn't feel it. Granted, I was not playing basketball, but c'mon, these well conditioned kids are more than 40 years younger than me. If elevation is a factor, the Buffs would have had a huge home court advantage over the years. I don't believe that has been the case. The Buffs are simply very good this year, and they were at the top of their game on Tuesday. They exposed the relatively soft Panther defense more than most teams have or will. I think the Panthers miss the shot blocking presence they had last year with Rand and Bol. At least that helped mask the defensive weaknesses of other teammates. I dont see how equating doing nothing at elevation to playing a d1 game on 2 days rest with travel is at all similar. Didn't happen to me so it must not be true. Its not an excuse its a scientific fact.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Nov 16, 2023 8:15:28 GMT -6
I did walk up about 27 steps from my seat to the concourse when I left the arena. ๐
CU lost 11 games at the CU Events Center in the past two years alone. Do you think those 11 opponents had a hard time with travel and/or the altitude? An excuse like that is part of losers mentality.
I was five rows behind the Panthers bench. I took advantage of the close proximity to observe the Panthers coaches and players on the sidelines. I made the same observations that TBone referenced in his post above. I also saw a player (Langston Wilson) sucking wind unusually hard just one time. Everyone else appeared physically normal throughout the entire contest.
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Post by FTA1982 on Nov 16, 2023 9:40:25 GMT -6
I think a lot of our guys are realizing that the step up from JUCO to D1 basketball is quite large. I've never watched an entire JUCO game but from what Ive gathered, it is more of a me first, "I need to get mine" type of basketball. You need to play both ends if you are going to be successful.
Also, player preparation needs to get better. I'm all for showtime and big dunks, but there are times in warm ups where it is all about the dunking and not getting fully ready to play from the jump, which weve had many problems doing.
Just my view. I could be totally wrong.
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Post by Petes on Nov 16, 2023 10:25:54 GMT -6
I think a lot of our guys are realizing that the step up from JUCO to D1 basketball is quite large. I've never watched an entire JUCO game but from what Ive gathered, it is more of a me first, "I need to get mine" type of basketball. You need to play both ends if you are going to be successful. Also, player preparation needs to get better. I'm all for showtime and big dunks, but there are times in warm ups where it is all about the dunking and not getting fully ready to play from the jump, which weve had many problems doing. Just my view. I could be totally wrong. Well we have 2 players that came from JUCO last year and they have both played as well as anyone so far this year in Duffy and Franklin.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 16, 2023 10:52:53 GMT -6
Bart was clearly distressed and uncommonly blunt in his postgame radio interview with Scott. I don't think it was because of the altitude or travel.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 16, 2023 12:27:23 GMT -6
Bart was clearly distressed and uncommonly blunt in his postgame radio interview with Scott. I don't think it was because of the altitude or travel. Not sure why any the game is not on demand on the Tune In App that I could link for others. Scott Warras even said, this seems the most upset Lundy has been on the post game.
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Nov 16, 2023 12:44:55 GMT -6
I will agree the defensive effort has been inconsistent. They gave a good effort against Providence, I thought.
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Post by TBone on Nov 16, 2023 15:58:50 GMT -6
I did walk up about 27 steps from my seat to the concourse when I left the arena. ๐ CU lost 11 games at the CU Events Center in the past two years alone. Do you think those 11 opponents had a hard time with travel and/or the altitude? An excuse like that is part of losers mentality. I was five rows behind the Panthers bench. I took advantage of the close proximity to observe the Panthers coaches and players on the sidelines. I made the same observations that TBone referenced in his post above. I also saw a player (Langston Wilson) sucking wind unusually hard just one time. Everyone else appeared physically normal throughout the entire contest. I did see Pratt sucking oxygen out of a can at one point during a timeout. It's was similar to the cans of Oxygen you can get at Walgreens here. I don't recall seeing any other instances other than that instance of Wilson struggling - though I had my head buried in my hands for many of the timeouts. Having said that, as Cactus said, if it was such an advantage, CU should be far better at home - in many sports. And let's not forget, we are a mere couple of years removed from a much less competitive Milwaukee Panther team coming into Boulder and having CU on the ropes at the end. Granted, CU wasn't nearly as good then either, (though they had Da Silva) but if the altitude is as effective at shutting down a team, that team should have been blown out too. You can use altitude as an excuse, but I saw some bad energy among the players from the get go before altitude would have really taken it out of the players. This team didn't play like they wanted it until about 8 minutes left in the game, when altitude should have taken them out of it completely - had altitude been the problem some are trying to claim. The truth is, during that game, our guys just flat out got worked. They had a bad game - which is going to happen on a couple of occasions in a 30 game season. We'll see what they're made of now and how they react. I know people have poo pooed the schedule and they're not wrong to do so, but I'm starting to see the potential benefits of sandwiching two non-D1 games around these two games. I'm at least encouraged to hear that coach was as mad as I think he should have been, given that performance.
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Post by uwmpanther on Nov 16, 2023 17:15:43 GMT -6
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Post by Cactus Panther on Nov 16, 2023 19:10:36 GMT -6
OK, I think we can all agree that the high altitude can affect even well conditioned athletes unless they have a few days to become acclimated. Hopefully we can also agree that high altitude would not make the Top 20 list of reasons why the Panthers played so poorly at Boulder.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Nov 16, 2023 19:32:43 GMT -6
Thin air isnโt a reason why you fall behind 19-4 almost immediately. Itโs a reason to fall apart at the very end.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Nov 16, 2023 20:08:07 GMT -6
OK, I think we can all agree that the high altitude can affect even well conditioned athletes unless they have a few days to become acclimated. Hopefully we can also agree that high altitude would not make the Top 20 list of reasons why the Panthers played so poorly at Boulder. Clearly we couldnt agree I only brought the point up that for our team and what these guys are used too going from RH to Boulder from Saturday PM to Tuesday PM is a tough ask, then it was confounded into an excuse why we lost. Id like an apology Cactus.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Nov 17, 2023 8:29:53 GMT -6
OK, I think we can all agree that the high altitude can affect even well conditioned athletes unless they have a few days to become acclimated. Hopefully we can also agree that high altitude would not make the Top 20 list of reasons why the Panthers played so poorly at Boulder. Clearly we couldnt agree I only brought the point up that for our team and what these guys are used too going from RH to Boulder from Saturday PM to Tuesday PM is a tough ask, then it was confounded into an excuse why we lost. Id like an apology Cactus. Of course...I apologize! Not sure for what, but if I offended you, I'm sorry. That was not my intent. Here's to hoping the Colorado fiasco is behind us and we see significant progress for the Panthers going forward!
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Post by Cactus Panther on Nov 17, 2023 9:20:15 GMT -6
The Lundy radio postgame interview, at long last ... tun.in/txUdRu
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