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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 16:00:06 GMT -6
Xtown fan is back lmao. We must getting good again (which really gets on his nerves).
UW and MU are great schools and programs. But it is (and has always been) pretty silly how they treat a series with the Panthers as beneath them. 3-1, first game @ Fiserv later this year, let's GO.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 14, 2023 16:32:03 GMT -6
When the new four-for-one deal came about (despite Haidert's attempt to kill it,) the first game in the series was when Jeter took over and was rebuilding the team, and UWM was back to being awful. Unlike Pearl, Marquette actually liked Rob Jeter. He was an assistant to Mike Deane his final year there. So the first game gets played, Marquette plays an overmatched UWM team and kills them. Late in the game, a Marquette player took a charge and everybody on the Marquette bench cheered. It had nothing to do with dissing UWM. Crean had told the team that if they took a certain number of charges in the game, he'd cancel the next day's practice. UWM fans took it as rubbing their nose in it. Then before the next game, somebody asked Crean about that and he replied, "Look, our guys don't come here so they can play UWM." Of course UWM fans took that as a great insult as well. We didn't get insulted from Marquette cheering on a taken charge. We got insulted when Tom Crean passed the end of our layup line, looked at everyone behind our bench and yelled at us to "get the f*** out of my building" and then when one of our coach's wives said "whoa man" he pointed at her and loudly said, "you get the f*** out of here too." I personally thought it was pretty petty to have Hayward, McNeal, Wes and Dominic in the game until a minute or two was left, but that's just me. One would think in a 35-point blowout that Jerel McNeal and Lazar Hayward wouldn't have to play well over their season mpg, but then again maybe Crean was lying when he acted like he didn't care about beating UWM. I mean, we can all agree that Tom Crean is a liar, right?
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Post by PantherU on Mar 14, 2023 19:18:21 GMT -6
It's hard for me to type, so I just made a video. Fast forward to 10:30 if you don't want to hear about what happened to me. I didn't want to bury the lede.
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Post by xtownfan on Mar 15, 2023 0:43:33 GMT -6
UWM fans do not seem to appreciate the amount of resentment UWM has engendered since it returned to D-1. The first UWM game I saw was when they played my undergrad alma mater in a D-3 game. I met up there with a bunch of alumni who made up a good portion of the “crowd.” Most UWM students did not know that the university even had a basketball team. That was only a few years before UWM made the decision to return to D-1.
The team got a fair amount of positive press early on, and good for them. They ran up a gaudy record, among the best in the country, and had the country’s leading scorer. Great. What people perhaps did not notice is that they played among the worst schedule in the country. No surprise there. They were a brand new D-1 program. They played mostly newly minted D-1 programs and independents. To their credit, they won most of them. That did not make them a good team. When they played any of their few quality teams, they got killed. Rick Majerus scheduled a game against UWM when he was a Utah. He had recruited a Milwaukee area player and as coaches do, promised him a game in front of his family and friends. Scheduling Marquette would have been awkward. So he came to UWM and, despite their gaudy record, beat them by about 30. It’s a lot easier to have the nation’s top scorer when he is pretty much the team’s entire offense and he is playing against suspect competition. UWM also built its program largely with local high school talent. Great idea, but they had an unrealistic idea of how good they were. A local sportswriter constantly hounded Mike Deane about not recruiting those players. What he did not mention was that not many D-1 programs had, which is why they were available to UWM in the first place. So Marquette was getting taken to task for not recruiting local players who were nowhere near major D-1 talent.
The original series between the teams has been discussed. People showed up for the first game, which was the opening game of the Milwaukee Classic that year to watch Shannon Smith flame out, then mostly ignored the remaining two or three games of the series. UWM drew no more fans, created no more interest, or improved Marquette’s schedule any more than any other guarantee series. Nobody cared if the front of their uniform read Milwaukee or Houston Baptist. When Marquette offered to renew the series, Bo Ryan turned them down.
Dick Bennett of course had gotten some attention with the success his teams had at Green Bay. Bennett was a good coach and a gentleman. He built a successful program at Green Bay. However, far from ducking them, Marquette played Green Bay numerous times, including suffering some losses along the way. The program nonetheless survived. He would patiently make the case that it was hard for teams like his to build a competitive schedule when high majors refused to play them, and to his credit, when he took over at Wisconsin, he put his money where his mouth was and cut generous deals with UWM and UWGB. Bennett left early in the season and his top assistant Brad Soderberg took over in the interim. The teams played at Marquette that year and Wisconsin won. The first thing out of Soderberg’s mouth after the game was how proud he was to have played and beaten the other teams in the state, a none-too-subtle dig at Marquette delivered in the Marquette media room. Bo expected the same from Marquette, but as soon as he replaced Bennett, he ditched the deal, changing it from a 2-1 to more like a 4-1, citing “financial realities.” Somehow that did not engender the anger at UW that UWM fans seemed to direct at Marquette. Somehow, when it comes to discussions about Marquette playing UWM, those financial realities seem to be conveniently forgotten.
So let’s take a look at some of them. In his video, PatherU discusses being able to get season tickets for $100. Great if he can do that, but if you can, it means that UWM is simply bleeding money on its basketball program. There is no way that attendance is even coming close to the cost of hosting a game. At those games, you can pretty much sit where you want. There are plenty of extra seats. So if you want to sit near the floor in the middle of the court, it will cost you $100. Equivalent tickets for Marquette cost about 100X as much. The last two Marquette games were sellouts, drawing in excess of 18,000. I do not have the exact numbers, but if you look at the Marquette ticket website, it seems the average season ticket holder is paying about $50 a ticket. Now, not every game is a sellout, not all the seats are held by season ticket holders, and students pay a lot less, so let’s figure the average ticket price to be about $35. Multiply that by 18,000. That brings the total ticket revenue to over $600,000 per game. That is not all profit obviously. They have to rent the arena, hire security, hire refs, the whole bit, but you can figure the total revenue from a home game to be about half a million.
Years back there was a local sports writer known mostly for two things – being a fat slob and being lazy. He used to routinely cover games watching them on TV from the media room. He wrote an article advocating that the four state teams meet in a tournament every year, and as far as the money was concerned, “For two days a year, let’s just forget about that.” That sounds great when you are sitting in the press room enjoying free meals provided by the team you are covering, but the problem is, when you are talking about two days in August it does not cost anything. When you are talking about giving up two home games, it costs closer to $1 million. Of course it does not cost UWM or UWGB anything, because they are actually losing money hosting games.
PantherU ought to do a little research before doing videos. Contrary to his video, UW did indeed enjoy some success in basketball before the arrival of Dick Bennett. That is easy to forget when you have as short a history in D-1 as UWM, but before they got into the game, UW was making money on its program and recruiting players who went on to the NBA, the type of players UWM still has little chance of ever getting. Their success was dwarfed by Marquette’s, but they had some. I will let UW fans discuss the financial details of their program, but suffice it to say that they are significant enough that giving a way a home game or two is no small matter. Also contrary to what PantherU claims, Marquette does not regularly play home-and-home series against teams the caliber of UWM. As a matter of fact, I defy you to find one such instance in all the years since UWM has re-entered D-1. Marquette has had some multiple year deals with teams from smaller conferences, usually about 3-1 deals with the likes of Valpo or Oakland or someone like that, for purposes of giving players they have recruited a chance to play in front of their hometown fans. Those games are getting more rare of late as the Big East schedule takes up 21 games and other opponents fill in much of what is left. Marquette plays in an exempt tournament every year. It usually plays a conference challenge game against teams from the Big 12 and/or the Big ??. It plays a home-and-home series with Wisconsin. It then has a handful of guarantee games with no return. There are exceptions to this pattern. A few years ago, Marquette hosted Buffalo when they were nationally ranked. They did not return the game. Last year and they year before, they had a home-and-home series with UCLA. Can anyone here see a difference between playing a home-and-home series with the University of California at Los Angeles and the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee?
I have no personal knowledge of rude comments made by Tom Crean to UWM fans. I do not doubt or condone them. However, one can see why Bruce Pearl’s behavior might have engendered a little resentment. In addition, that series took a whole lot of work and negotiating to get to, and when the contract was ready to be signed, Bud Haidert turned it down. The only reason it went forward was that some donor, probably the t-shirt guy, came in and dropped $20,000 on the table and told UWM to sign the damn thing. With that kind of grief, do you wonder why Marquette is not in a hurry to begin another series? But as long as we are on the subject of crude comments, how about UWM's appearance in the Bracket Buster games when they might actually have done them some good? Marquette played at the Bradley Center that day, while UWM hosted somebody, I think Manhattan, across the street. They lost, which was no dobut disappointing, but it meant that Marquette fans leaving the arena were greeted by the sight of a bunch of mostly drunk UWM fans chanting, "F*** Marquette!" Hey, it's not our fault your team can't win a must-win game on its home court in front of a national television audience.
What all of this comes down to far too often is UWM making demands that somebody else help build its program. You get a free exhibition game against a team that is better than anybody you have on your schedule? You think that’s not good enough. The arguments about how “It’s good for basketball in the state” are a lot of bullsh*t. You know what’s good for basketball in the state? Having a team that wins games and has a strong national reputation. So start doing it and go get one. You recognize the value of your university? Great. I do not know all that much about it. I know it has a good architecture program. It reportedly has a good film program as well, but the one person I know who went there for that was disappointed and transferred after a year. On the whole, it seems a typical second-tier state university. Good enough. As for the value of your athletic program and specifically your basketball team? Not so much. The posts on this board for the better part of a decade seem mostly to involve how bad it is, how much your conference sucks, and why you have to fill you schedule with D-2 opponents. In terms of quality of the team, yours is no better than any other guarantee game opponent. Some years you might be good. Most years, including most of the recent ones, you are not. You would actually be an anchor on Marquette’s SOS. In terms of fan interest, go review the numbers. The last game UWM played at Marquette drew fewer fans than their game against Presbyterian the same year. Can’t wait to see the Blue Hose again, can you? This is a problem. You are demanding something to which you have no right to expect.
So if you want Bart Lundy to start talking up your program and suggesting a renewal of the series with Marquette, go ahead. If you expect anyone to take you seriously if you suggest a home-and-home series, you are delusional, unless you have some big donor out there willing to drop a couple million on the table to make it happen, and probably not then. If you really think you are going to get anywhere by publicly challenging Marquette to start a home-and-home series and nagging until you get one, you are stupider than I thought. The reaction you are likely to get could be best summed up by the now-famous words of Marquette’s starting point guard. F*** ‘em.
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 15, 2023 5:49:32 GMT -6
UWM fans do not seem to appreciate the amount of resentment UWM has engendered since it returned to D-1. The first UWM game I saw was when they played my undergrad alma mater in a D-3 game. I met up there with a bunch of alumni who made up a good portion of the “crowd.” Most UWM students did not know that the university even had a basketball team. That was only a few years before UWM made the decision to return to D-1. The team got a fair amount of positive press early on, and good for them. They ran up a gaudy record, among the best in the country, and had the country’s leading scorer. Great. What people perhaps did not notice is that they played among the worst schedule in the country. No surprise there. They were a brand new D-1 program. They played mostly newly minted D-1 programs and independents. To their credit, they won most of them. That did not make them a good team. When they played any of their few quality teams, they got killed. Rick Majerus scheduled a game against UWM when he was a Utah. He had recruited a Milwaukee area player and as coaches do, promised him a game in front of his family and friends. Scheduling Marquette would have been awkward. So he came to UWM and, despite their gaudy record, beat them by about 30. It’s a lot easier to have the nation’s top scorer when he is pretty much the team’s entire offense and he is playing against suspect competition. UWM also built its program largely with local high school talent. Great idea, but they had an unrealistic idea of how good they were. A local sportswriter constantly hounded Mike Deane about not recruiting those players. What he did not mention was that not many D-1 programs had, which is why they were available to UWM in the first place. So Marquette was getting taken to task for not recruiting local players who were nowhere near major D-1 talent. The original series between the teams has been discussed. People showed up for the first game, which was the opening game of the Milwaukee Classic that year to watch Shannon Smith flame out, then mostly ignored the remaining two or three games of the series. UWM drew no more fans, created no more interest, or improved Marquette’s schedule any more than any other guarantee series. Nobody cared if the front of their uniform read Milwaukee or Houston Baptist. When Marquette offered to renew the series, Bo Ryan turned them down. Dick Bennett of course had gotten some attention with the success his teams had at Green Bay. Bennett was a good coach and a gentleman. He built a successful program at Green Bay. However, far from ducking them, Marquette played Green Bay numerous times, including suffering some losses along the way. The program nonetheless survived. He would patiently make the case that it was hard for teams like his to build a competitive schedule when high majors refused to play them, and to his credit, when he took over at Wisconsin, he put his money where his mouth was and cut generous deals with UWM and UWGB. Bennett left early in the season and his top assistant Brad Soderberg took over in the interim. The teams played at Marquette that year and Wisconsin won. The first thing out of Soderberg’s mouth after the game was how proud he was to have played and beaten the other teams in the state, a none-too-subtle dig at Marquette delivered in the Marquette media room. Bo expected the same from Marquette, but as soon as he replaced Bennett, he ditched the deal, changing it from a 2-1 to more like a 4-1, citing “financial realities.” Somehow that did not engender the anger at UW that UWM fans seemed to direct at Marquette. Somehow, when it comes to discussions about Marquette playing UWM, those financial realities seem to be conveniently forgotten. So let’s take a look at some of them. In his video, PatherU discusses being able to get season tickets for $100. Great if he can do that, but if you can, it means that UWM is simply bleeding money on its basketball program. There is no way that attendance is even coming close to the cost of hosting a game. At those games, you can pretty much sit where you want. There are plenty of extra seats. So if you want to sit near the floor in the middle of the court, it will cost you $100. Equivalent tickets for Marquette cost about 100X as much. The last two Marquette games were sellouts, drawing in excess of 18,000. I do not have the exact numbers, but if you look at the Marquette ticket website, it seems the average season ticket holder is paying about $50 a ticket. Now, not every game is a sellout, not all the seats are held by season ticket holders, and students pay a lot less, so let’s figure the average ticket price to be about $35. Multiply that by 18,000. That brings the total ticket revenue to over $600,000 per game. That is not all profit obviously. They have to rent the arena, hire security, hire refs, the whole bit, but you can figure the total revenue from a home game to be about half a million. Years back there was a local sports writer known mostly for two things – being a fat slob and being lazy. He used to routinely cover games watching them on TV from the media room. He wrote an article advocating that the four state teams meet in a tournament every year, and as far as the money was concerned, “For two days a year, let’s just forget about that.” That sounds great when you are sitting in the press room enjoying free meals provided by the team you are covering, but the problem is, when you are talking about two days in August it does not cost anything. When you are talking about giving up two home games, it costs closer to $1 million. Of course it does not cost UWM or UWGB anything, because they are actually losing money hosting games. PantherU ought to do a little research before doing videos. Contrary to his video, UW did indeed enjoy some success in basketball before the arrival of Dick Bennett. That is easy to forget when you have as short a history in D-1 as UWM, but before they got into the game, UW was making money on its program and recruiting players who went on to the NBA, the type of players UWM still has little chance of ever getting. Their success was dwarfed by Marquette’s, but they had some. I will let UW fans discuss the financial details of their program, but suffice it to say that they are significant enough that giving a way a home game or two is no small matter. Also contrary to what PantherU claims, Marquette does not regularly play home-and-home series against teams the caliber of UWM. As a matter of fact, I defy you to find one such instance in all the years since UWM has re-entered D-1. Marquette has had some multiple year deals with teams from smaller conferences, usually about 3-1 deals with the likes of Valpo or Oakland or someone like that, for purposes of giving players they have recruited a chance to play in front of their hometown fans. Those games are getting more rare of late as the Big East schedule takes up 21 games and other opponents fill in much of what is left. Marquette plays in an exempt tournament every year. It usually plays a conference challenge game against teams from the Big 12 and/or the Big ??. It plays a home-and-home series with Wisconsin. It then has a handful of guarantee games with no return. There are exceptions to this pattern. A few years ago, Marquette hosted Buffalo when they were nationally ranked. They did not return the game. Last year and they year before, they had a home-and-home series with UCLA. Can anyone here see a difference between playing a home-and-home series with the University of California at Los Angeles and the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee? I have no personal knowledge of rude comments made by Tom Crean to UWM fans. I do not doubt or condone them. However, one can see why Bruce Pearl’s behavior might have engendered a little resentment. In addition, that series took a whole lot of work and negotiating to get to, and when the contract was ready to be signed, Bud Haidert turned it down. The only reason it went forward was that some donor, probably the t-shirt guy, came in and dropped $20,000 on the table and told UWM to sign the damn thing. With that kind of grief, do you wonder why Marquette is not in a hurry to begin another series? But as long as we are on the subject of crude comments, how about UWM's appearance in the Bracket Buster games when they might actually have done them some good? Marquette played at the Bradley Center that day, while UWM hosted somebody, I think Manhattan, across the street. They lost, which was no dobut disappointing, but it meant that Marquette fans leaving the arena were greeted by the sight of a bunch of mostly drunk UWM fans chanting, "F*** Marquette!" Hey, it's not our fault your team can't win a must-win game on its home court in front of a national television audience. What all of this comes down to far too often is UWM making demands that somebody else help build its program. You get a free exhibition game against a team that is better than anybody you have on your schedule? You think that’s not good enough. The arguments about how “It’s good for basketball in the state” are a lot of bullsh*t. You know what’s good for basketball in the state? Having a team that wins games and has a strong national reputation. So start doing it and go get one. You recognize the value of your university? Great. I do not know all that much about it. I know it has a good architecture program. It reportedly has a good film program as well, but the one person I know who went there for that was disappointed and transferred after a year. On the whole, it seems a typical second-tier state university. Good enough. As for the value of your athletic program and specifically your basketball team? Not so much. The posts on this board for the better part of a decade seem mostly to involve how bad it is, how much your conference sucks, and why you have to fill you schedule with D-2 opponents. In terms of quality of the team, yours is no better than any other guarantee game opponent. Some years you might be good. Most years, including most of the recent ones, you are not. You would actually be an anchor on Marquette’s SOS. In terms of fan interest, go review the numbers. The last game UWM played at Marquette drew fewer fans than their game against Presbyterian the same year. Can’t wait to see the Blue Hose again, can you? This is a problem. You are demanding something to which you have no right to expect. So if you want Bart Lundy to start talking up your program and suggesting a renewal of the series with Marquette, go ahead. If you expect anyone to take you seriously if you suggest a home-and-home series, you are delusional, unless you have some big donor out there willing to drop a couple million on the table to make it happen, and probably not then. If you really think you are going to get anywhere by publicly challenging Marquette to start a home-and-home series and nagging until you get one, you are stupider than I thought. The reaction you are likely to get could be best summed up by the now-famous words of Marquette’s starting point guard. F*** ‘em. Dude, go away. No one is reading all that.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 15, 2023 6:08:12 GMT -6
Milwaukee just needs to focus on its own program. Control what you can control.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 15, 2023 7:27:13 GMT -6
Imagine writing that at 2 in the morning.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 15, 2023 9:14:57 GMT -6
I f***ing hate this guy xtownfan. Imagine having such a miserable f***ing life that your team just swept the Big East championships and is a 2 seed in the Tournament, yet you have to come over here and piss on people for no reason.
We get it, your mother's a whore. It's not our fault.
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 15, 2023 10:24:26 GMT -6
To my knowledge we haven't heard Lundy mention Marquette thus far.
Wisconsin, on the other hand, has been mentioned twice. Bart brought them up when the AmFam Field game was announced and again mentioned them when they had to cancel a game due to a blizzard. He (jokingly?) said we would've tried to play them had he not sent the players home already.
I think a game with the Badgers is much more likely in the coming years.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 15, 2023 11:22:53 GMT -6
UWM fans do not seem to appreciate the amount of resentment UWM has engendered since it returned to D-1. Is it resentment or is it apathy? Because it can't be both. By the way, that's the only sentence I read in your entire post. We're all done entertaining you. Good luck with the tournament.
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Post by xtownfan on Mar 15, 2023 11:34:34 GMT -6
Then that is just stupid. You are doing your program no favors. If you are not trying to tell Marquette and Wisconsin what they ought to do, why are you suggesting calling them out for not playing you? You are just creating bad will between yourself and other programs in the state. Other arguments that have been made here were that Marquttte should be playing UWM in men's basketball because they do in other sports and it makes sense. That is true, and it does make sense - in other sports. The men's soccer programs played each other for years. I do not know if they still do, but it used to be a regular game, and it actually had some value to the teams, as one or the other of them was frequently good enough to get a tournament bid. There is some traditional soccer interest in the Milwaukee area. The women's basketball teams still play each other regularly despite the fact that Marquette wins most of them. Former Marquette coach Terri Mitchell and the UWM coach were friends. Those things can help out your non-revenue programs. They are not likely to happen if you are creating grief for the other athletic department and trying to build your program by calling out and trashing the other guy's.
That early UWM team did play at Utah, as noted so that Rick Majerus could get a homecoming game for one of his players. They were road kill. Kind of what you would expect from a newly developed program, and the probably got a nice check for it. They were in a position to get the same type of deal from Marquette, only better. They turned it down. One of those early teams did beat Wisconsin. Great. Like I said, if you play often enough, you are bound to win one or two. That is what they could have done at Marquette and what Green Bay actually did. They chose not to.
If you want to build your program and some credibility, a better idea would be to ignore Marquette and Wisconsin entirely. Concentrate on winning games in the HL. Concentrate on getting the hell out of the HL. Don't try and annoy your neighbors for the purpose of getting a little publicity and get a more realistic view of what your program means. When somebody is doing you a favor and scheduling you for an exhibition game, say thank you, play it, and move on. If you attack them and talk about how they owe you a regular season contract, they will call someone else next time. Curiously another CIT opponent and one UWM might soon play played at Marquette this year. They did not demand a multi-year deal or a home game. They came in, lost, collected their check and went home. I a more congenial environment, maybe that check goes to UWM and your program could use it. Maybe you get hot or lucky and win the game. It is a nice feather in your cap. When Brian Wardle coached at Green Bay, Marquette scheduled them early and made an announcement welcoming home Wardle and his assistant Brian Barone. Everybody cheered, Marquette won, and GB went home with a check and one of the better OOC on its schedule. When Jon Harris coached at SIU-Edwardsville, Marquette scheduled them as well. Nobody at Marquette cares about Edwardsville, but it was a homecoming game for Harris and his wife, who played for the Marquette women's team. Lots of teammates came out to support them. Those things help build your program, no mattrer how slightly. Last year much of the Marquette team attended your game against Oakland, sat behind the Oakland bench, and cheered for them, and people here complained about them dissing your team. Actually, they did not care about either Oakland or UWM. They came to cheer on their former teammate Jamal Cain who had transferred to Oakland and was their leading scorer. Cain used that year to get himself a contract with the Miami Heat. It had next to nothing to do with what Marquette thought about UWM - but your fans complained about it.
But it is not going to happen anytime soon. Marquette has gotten so much grief over the years about UWM that it is just a no-win situation. Why go out of their way to do UWM any favors? It gets nothing and has to put up with all the bullsh*t. You're not getting a rolling home-and-home. You are not getting a four-team tournament. At this point, you are not even getting a contract for a bunch of guarantee games. You shouldn't expect them and making crazy demands just makes your situation worse.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 15, 2023 11:37:47 GMT -6
Then that is just stupid. You are doing your program no favors. If you are not trying to tell Marquette and Wisconsin what they ought to do, why are you suggesting calling them out for not playing you? You are just creating bad will between yourself and other programs in the state. Other arguments that have been made here were that Marquttte should be playing UWM in men's basketball because they do in other sports and it makes sense. That is true, and it does make sense - in other sports. The men's soccer programs played each other for years. I do not know if they still do, but it used to be a regular game, and it actually had some value to the teams, as one or the other of them was frequently good enough to get a tournament bid. There is some traditional soccer interest in the Milwaukee area. The women's basketball teams still play each other regularly despite the fact that Marquette wins most of them. Former Marquette coach Terri Mitchell and the UWM coach were friends. Those things can help out your non-revenue programs. They are not likely to happen if you are creating grief for the other athletic department and trying to build your program by calling out and trashing the other guy's. That early UWM team did play at Utah, as noted so that Rick Majerus could get a homecoming game for one of his players. They were road kill. Kind of what you would expect from a newly developed program, and the probably got a nice check for it. They were in a position to get the same type of deal from Marquette, only better. They turned it down. One of those early teams did beat Wisconsin. Great. Like I said, if you play often enough, you are bound to win one or two. That is what they could have done at Marquette and what Green Bay actually did. They chose not to. If you want to build your program and some credibility, a better idea would be to ignore Marquette and Wisconsin entirely. Concentrate on winning games in the HL. Concentrate on getting the hell out of the HL. Don't try and annoy your neighbors for the purpose of getting a little publicity and get a more realistic view of what your program means. When somebody is doing you a favor and scheduling you for an exhibition game, say thank you, play it, and move on. If you attack them and talk about how they owe you a regular season contract, they will call someone else next time. Curiously another CIT opponent and one UWM might soon play played at Marquette this year. They did not demand a multi-year deal or a home game. They came in, lost, collected their check and went home. I a more congenial environment, maybe that check goes to UWM and your program could use it. Maybe you get hot or lucky and win the game. It is a nice feather in your cap. When Brian Wardle coached at Green Bay, Marquette scheduled them early and made an announcement welcoming home Wardle and his assistant Brian Barone. Everybody cheered, Marquette won, and GB went home with a check and one of the better OOC on its schedule. When Jon Harris coached at SIU-Edwardsville, Marquette scheduled them as well. Nobody at Marquette cares about Edwardsville, but it was a homecoming game for Harris and his wife, who played for the Marquette women's team. Lots of teammates came out to support them. Those things help build your program, no mattrer how slightly. Last year much of the Marquette team attended your game against Oakland, sat behind the Oakland bench, and cheered for them, and people here complained about them dissing your team. Actually, they did not care about either Oakland or UWM. They came to cheer on their former teammate Jamal Cain who had transferred to Oakland and was their leading scorer. Cain used that year to get himself a contract with the Miami Heat. It had next to nothing to do with what Marquette thought about UWM - but your fans complained about it. But it is not going to happen anytime soon. Marquette has gotten so much grief over the years about UWM that it is just a no-win situation. Why go out of their way to do UWM any favors? It gets nothing and has to put up with all the bullsh*t. You're not getting a rolling home-and-home. You are not getting a four-team tournament. At this point, you are not even getting a contract for a bunch of guarantee games. You shouldn't expect them and making crazy demands just makes your situation worse. 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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 15, 2023 12:05:07 GMT -6
Out of curiosity Xtown, I'll bite.
If, hypothetically Milwaukee & Marquette agree to play going forward. What would you suggest? An endless stream of buy games all at the Fiserv? I don't know why any program would agree to that. I'm obviously know we won't be getting a Home & Home any time soon. I think a 2 or 3 for 1 is feasible depending how Lundy would want to play it but any more than that is probably not worth it.
As I've said it's the fan side of me annoyed by this whole thing. I would have a ton of fun attending a game between the two programs; as would many of my family and friends. The realist in me knows it's not going to happen any time soon.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 15, 2023 12:09:27 GMT -6
Out of curiosity Xtown, I'll bite. Dammit Jeremy
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Post by GoPanthers33 on Mar 15, 2023 12:11:19 GMT -6
Out of curiosity Xtown, I'll bite. Dammit Jeremy Sorry to cause trouble.
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