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Post by PantherNation on Jan 12, 2019 13:37:10 GMT -6
Davis is a damn good player though. Wow. The difference one player can make to a team in this league is incredible.
Just think what could be if PBJ were to play here. Pretty confident that won’t happen, but one can dream.
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 12, 2019 13:38:28 GMT -6
down 4 with 720 to go, with a FT upcoming to cut it to 3.
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Post by MKE 4 Life on Jan 12, 2019 13:45:11 GMT -6
How long do you think Tiby would have made it before getting booted from this game if he were still around? He would've been ejected this morning. Boy, do I miss him.
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 12, 2019 13:46:43 GMT -6
under 4 TO. down 5, 75-80
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 12, 2019 13:51:44 GMT -6
going to drop this one. 2-3 in conference, 7-11 overall
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Post by PantherNation on Jan 12, 2019 14:00:07 GMT -6
Did a good job hanging around. They seemed to be in the same spot Oakland was in against us on Thursday. We kept getting it down to 3-4 points but Detroit would come back and hit a big three. I won't lose any sleep over today's performance. They were at a big disadvantage with the foul situation and still hung in there. Just need to limit the turnovers, play smarter on defense, and keep Bobby Arthur Williams on the bench as much as possible. I'm still hopeful that he comes around one of these days but for now, he's not helping us win games.
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Post by Super King on Jan 12, 2019 14:03:45 GMT -6
Basketball refereeing at all levels is in a crisis right now.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 12, 2019 15:37:28 GMT -6
Sometimes, I just wish that Baldwin would get really angry ... or show it!
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 12, 2019 16:25:31 GMT -6
Turnovers and Detroit getting to the line was the factor today. (27-39)
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Post by uwmfan on Jan 12, 2019 16:42:11 GMT -6
Sometimes, I just wish that Baldwin would get really angry ... or show it! He has Ric Cobb syndrome
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 12, 2019 18:27:46 GMT -6
"Our guys played hard, they played together, and we are going to win games like this if we continue to play this hard," Baldwin said. "We have proven the entire year that our guys are resilient … when we have been down, they have found that next level to try and come back."
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Post by PantherNation on Jan 12, 2019 22:31:12 GMT -6
Not enough credit being given to DeAndre Abram for the game he played today. 31 points (career high) on 12-19 FGs and 6-13 3PT, 7 rebs and 3 steals.
His mid range was a thing of beauty.
Would like to see him get to the line more but it’s obvious today wasn’t going to be that day with these refs. We tend to lose the majority of our games due to the discrepancy in free throws. It’s time we start doing what they’re doing. Especially with how well these guys shoot them — 12th in the country.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Jan 13, 2019 16:13:40 GMT -6
Tough game, but I am happy to see the team still fighting. As someone said though above, it's going to be a recurring problem of only have 8 guys each game but I guess that will mean more time for guys to play and hopefully improve.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 13, 2019 18:26:01 GMT -6
Just finished watching the game as if live and have some random thoughts.
Davis is a fun player to watch but I hate how he always wears his trunks like a diaper. What is that all about?
It was an entertaining game to watch. I thought the Panthers played well. I did not understand the technical foul against Vance Johnson. I assume it was for something he said, because his hang time on the rim was nothing out of the ordinary.
The Panthers did not show any quit on this roadtrip. Last week's comment on this board about the team quitting on PB was clearly emotional overreaction after a poor game or an effort to further support a redundant point that no one on here needs to be convinced of.
I am glad PB does not demonstrably complain to the refs much. Until recent seasons, we saw that for 11 years here. I thought the whining carried over to the players and adversely affected their play. I like the levelheadedness of the current squad. I think it helped us win the UMKC and WMU games. Having stated that, I understand that stressing points to officials can sometimes help. BP is masterful at that.
Now it's back home to face a couple of teams expected by many to finish above them in the conference. It seems the Panthers struggle more at home than on the road. I think that is because of a lack of energy in the Arena. Negative energy on the road is better than none at all. Hopefully they can do better at creating their own energy in home games.
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Post by PantherU on Jan 14, 2019 20:01:43 GMT -6
Just finished watching the game as if live and have some random thoughts. Davis is a fun player to watch but I hate how he always wears his trunks like a diaper. What is that all about? I long ago gave up trying to understand the aesthetic choices of basketball players. Tiby's cornrows ended that for me. It was an entertaining game to watch. I thought the Panthers played well. I did not understand the technical foul against Vance Johnson. I assume it was for something he said, because his hang time on the rim was nothing out of the ordinary. It had to be about something he said, because it sure as heck wasn't about being too tough. The Panthers did not show any quit on this roadtrip. Last week's comment on this board about the team quitting on PB was clearly emotional overreaction after a poor game or an effort to further support a redundant point that no one on here needs to be convinced of. I don't think they've ever quit on PB. I think they lack the necessary talents to win on a high level, even in this dumpster fire conference. Darius Roy is the only player on this team who would start on a good Jeter-era team. I think he would have even been a killer sixth man in 2005. Beyond him? - DeAndre Abram probably would start for one of the bad Jeter teams, like 06-07 or 12-13. I think a lot of his rebounds come from teammates just being terrible at grabbing them.
- Jake Wright can shoot...kinda. He's streaky and it can either single-handedly win us the game (Albany) or be a non-factor. At least he doesn't chuck it when it's not falling like Tone Boyle would do.
- Vance Johnson is faux-tough...for every hard dunk he gets, he fails to put a body on the other team's better rebounders. That kills us, because teams are getting a ton of second chances (MKE is 287th in opponent ORBs).
- Amir Allen can grow into something nice, but he'll never be able to stay on the court if he can't stop the dumb foul. That's a coaching thing and should be a focus with him this summer. He needs to be fed the ball underneath more for the rest of the season, so he can get more confident in his handling and post scoring. He's good at it.
- Bryce Barnes still has the lapse in multi-tasking that causes dumb turnovers. I have no doubt at all that this is what keeps him from the starting lineup, because he can defend, he can pass, he can handle the ball and he can body up people in traditional big guard fashion. One wonders how he would have developed had he had one coach his whole career.
- Bobby Arthur-Williams just seems like a guy to me. I guess that's fine, because he seems to be the
- Carson Warren-Newsome was the only guy besides Roy who didn't make me cringe when he drove the lane. Unfortunately, he's gone. I would have liked to see him grow here, but you could see on his face that he didn't mix with PB.
I am glad PB does not demonstrably complain to the refs much. Until recent seasons, we saw that for 11 years here. I thought the whining carried over to the players and adversely affected their play. I like the levelheadedness of the current squad. I think it helped us win the UMKC and WMU games. Having stated that, I understand that stressing points to officials can sometimes help. BP is masterful at that. Now it's back home to face a couple of teams expected by many to finish above them in the conference. It seems the Panthers struggle more at home than on the road. I think that is because of a lack of energy in the Arena. Negative energy on the road is better than none at all. Hopefully they can do better at creating their own energy in home games. I think this is perspective. Maybe 50/50 calls aren't going our way because PB isn't pushing the referees. What happens when one of his players starts getting ticky-tack fouls called on him, but then gets pushed around harder on the other end with no calls? Pushing the referees is something virtually every coach does, and I'd argue the reason PB doesn't appear to be demonstrably complaining to the referees is because he's still getting comfortable in the job and may not be 100% confident in his authority to push on them. LaVall Jordan got more demonstrative over the season he was here. Jeter, if you remember correctly, was often hammered in his first few years because he wasn't over-the-top like Pearl was. Years later he had built up the confidence to really go at the refs, and people started ripping on him for the same stuff you're saying. Honestly, I think the references to Jeter's "whining" and Baldwin's "levelheadedness" come from the fact that you didn't want Jeter to be coach, so you're assigning negative terminology to the stuff he would do on the sideline when those same actions would be described as " masterful" later on. I think Pearl, Jeter, Bo and Val all worked over the referees. I think the first three were actually a lot more similar in their demeanor doing this than you're remembering; I would agree with you if you said that Bo and BP were more successful at working over the refs than Jeter, but I don't think their actions themselves were noticeably different. Once again, I think it's perspective. The Jeter I remember was nitpicked for stoicism as a young coach and nitpicked for "whining" later. I think we're looking harshly at a guy for the act he followed. This program has never been one that can expect NCAA tournament victories every few years, and it's unfair to whoever the coach of the time is to expect that in the future until we make the program itself better. A flash in the pan can happen. Pearl had the right combination of guys at the right time and he got out when lightning struck. I don't fault him for that. To build long term success at this place requires more from this program than the guy on the bench can give alone. They need that practice facility. They need university leadership to understand the program exists, and then they need university leadership to understand what the program can potentially do for them, and then they need university leadership to act with the intention of realizing that potential. Maybe Baldwin can get that flash in the pan. We all know the best chance he has at getting that flash - that's putting PB&J (can we call him PB&J please?) in Black and Gold. I'm gonna suggest something on that. Let's stop assuming PB&J is going to pass on playing for Milwaukee. Let's go the other way - let's assume that PB&J will recognize the benefits of playing for his father here - not just helping his father's career, but having the opportunity to set all kinds of college records beating up on the competition, becoming a local legend and locking up a lottery pick. Elite NBA players often come from mid-majors now - Steph Curry, CJ McCollum, Kawhi Leonard, Damian Lillard, Paul George....the NBA can go through the Horizon League if your talent is there. Positivity starts here. Pat Baldwin Jr. will wear the Black and Gold. Will it into existence.
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