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Post by Cactus Panther on Dec 12, 2018 11:03:45 GMT -6
I attended the last two home games and the security checks did not bother me. Frankly, I did not give it much thought at the time.
In retrospect, the questions regarding the effectiveness of the process at Panther games are valid. I attend or work at over 60 events a year at various sports and entertainment venues and most of the others use walk through metal detectors. Some exceptions that have no security checkpoints are Arizona Fall League games, which are lightly attended (insert comments about attendance at Panther games here), local short track auto racing venues and movie theaters.
For those of you bothered by the invasiveness and/or ineffectiveness of security checks at Panther games, next time you go why don't you ask whoever is in charge of security? It would also be interesting to know why security checks are required at the Arena and not the Klotche. Is UWM contractually obligated to the WCD to perform the checks?
The ultimate decision maker may not be at the game, but at least find out who it is and contact that person. Then, please share what you find out with us on this board. Speculating amongst ourselves has no value, and just gives more rationale for a potential attendee of a game not to go.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 12, 2018 11:48:13 GMT -6
That process is a joke. Nothing has change from my email last March. It's a joke and does nothing. I stress this is a UWM idea and not a WCD idea. The Admirals don't do this. Buying wands cost $120 each. Do it right or not at all! That does not make much sense to me at all either. The only thing I could think of is that perhaps some people were sneaking alcohol into the game. If wands are that inexpensive, and the reason is that there is a fear someone will bring a weapon to the game, I would think that the staffing at the tables to enter the game could be cut to offset the cost of the wands. It is annoying to have to go through that every time a game is at Panther Arena. You are right; they do not go through this at Admirals games, and they don't even go through it at games at the Klotsche Center so I am with you in wondering why they do it this way. It won't keep me from going to games though. It doesn't stop me, but I give them a dirty look and my wife b****es about it. One black chick security person ask my wife to lift up her sweatshirt. WTF! We said, no the other security guy said to just go in. What the hell is this looking at the belt line stuff. I can put a gun or someone in my ankle. Or in my winter hat.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 12, 2018 12:12:47 GMT -6
For those of you bothered by the invasiveness and/or ineffectiveness of security checks at Panther games, next time you go why don't you ask whoever is in charge of security? It would also be interesting to know why security checks are required at the Arena and not the Klotche. Is UWM contractually obligated to the WCD to perform the checks? The ultimate decision maker may not be at the game, but at least find out who it is and contact that person. Then, please share what you find out with us on this board. Speculating amongst ourselves has no value, and just gives more rationale for a potential attendee of a game not to go. I did send out an email last March to UWM to about five people. I didn't get answers back, other than thank you, we will look into it. Also, I have no idea why UWM contractually obligated to the WCD to perform the checks, yet the Admirals don't do this at all. I don't think I will get an answer back from security. They talk and act pretty low class.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Dec 12, 2018 13:50:24 GMT -6
For those of you bothered by the invasiveness and/or ineffectiveness of security checks at Panther games, next time you go why don't you ask whoever is in charge of security? It would also be interesting to know why security checks are required at the Arena and not the Klotche. Is UWM contractually obligated to the WCD to perform the checks? The ultimate decision maker may not be at the game, but at least find out who it is and contact that person. Then, please share what you find out with us on this board. Speculating amongst ourselves has no value, and just gives more rationale for a potential attendee of a game not to go. I did send out an email last March to UWM to about five people. I didn't get answers back, other than thank you, we will look into it. Also, I have no idea why UWM contractually obligated to the WCD to perform the checks, yet the Admirals don't do this at all. I don't think I will get an answer back from security. They talk and act pretty low class. My point was try to go to the top security source, rather than anyone at UWM. I am assuming that security personnel at the Arena are provided through a third party security service. I do not know whether UWM is contractually obligated to have security checks. I was just asking the question. I may have misunderstood from an earlier post in this thread that the Admirals perform wanding, which is what prompted me to ask the question. The security workers just do as they think they are instructed. Identify their supervisors, then the supervisors' superior, etc., until you get to a level that you do not perceive as low class and has ultimate authority. Another question I would have is whether the selected security measures stem from previous incidents of violence at local (urban?) high school basketball games. Also, what recommendations and requirements do such entities as UWM's liability insurer, their attorneys and the NCAA have regarding the need for and type of security to provide. Of course, answers to these questions may not be known by even the high level security contact. Those probably could best be answered by the appropriate person in UWM's risk management department.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 12, 2018 14:04:41 GMT -6
Yes, I'm saying top security source is UWM. They hired that company, not the WCD. This has been year two of this.
There is zero security check points at Admirals games. Not sure about the Wave because I have never been. I went to Stars on Ice last May. There also was zero security check points.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Dec 12, 2018 14:18:28 GMT -6
OK Pounce, got it. Strange that they do this at the Arena and not Klotche.
Was one of your five contacts:
Jim Olson Risk Management Manager (414) 750-4699 olson69@uwm.edu Engelmann Hall, Room 264
If not, it might be another angle worth trying.
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Post by Pantherholic on Dec 13, 2018 21:10:13 GMT -6
Probably the most frustrating & puzzling parts about security's presence was a) the reason for having them to begin with and b) the more heavily enforced policies this season. Why are the lowest attended sporting events the ones with the highest security standards? Not only that but now I have to show my ticket to enter my section. Last year, if the attendant was only there to show you where your seat was, now they're there to make sure you're not sitting elsewhere. I've seen former players kicked out of court side seats even though there was never an issue with them sitting there last year. Last year, security had the unspoken rule of "be respectful and we're cool with you sitting in different seats". Now it's "be respectful and go back to your seat".
I don't blame the guards themselves as they're just doing their jobs. They're the ones being told "stand here and do ___". Amanda's not hard to find at games so I'm sure asking her shouldn't be hard to do.
I will say it's equally odd the WCD doesn't have a stronger security policy to begin with. You would think there would be one on the books in general (not that I'm advocating for it).
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