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Post by BBFran on Jan 20, 2015 10:11:46 GMT -6
Amanda is certainly not lying. She is truthfully reporting what she is being told. I'm not worried in the slightest about her honesty.
The real question is whether to trust the players who are actually choosing the site. Until construction begins at another site we would be fools to do so, and the University should not let its guard down for a moment. There should be an active contingency plan to bring maximum political and financial pressure to bear if there is a "sudden turn" and the Arena site gets targeted again. Failure to plan is planning for failure.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 20, 2015 11:21:22 GMT -6
Amanda is certainly not lying. She is truthfully reporting what she is being told. I'm not worried in the slightest about her honesty. The real question is whether to trust the players who are actually choosing the site. Until construction begins at another site we would be fools to do so, and the University should not let its guard down for a moment. There should be an active contingency plan to bring maximum political and financial pressure to bear if there is a "sudden turn" and the Arena site gets targeted again. Failure to plan is planning for failure. I was going to post almost the exact same thing. Thanks, Fran.
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Post by kingsteve on Jan 20, 2015 11:33:25 GMT -6
Well said Fran!!! You nailed it. I just have an uneasy feeling about this largely due to the "delay". Steve
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 20, 2015 23:24:48 GMT -6
Could we please, please, please not get crossed on this deal!
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 22, 2015 23:11:23 GMT -6
UWM is guaranteed to still be around in 20 years. the bucks are not. why tie your flag to the mast of a team that has won just 1 division title in nearly 30 years, and hasnt been to the NBA Finals in more than 40? Hedge funds guys make bank with other people's money, not their own. given how anti-tax the surrounding counties are, the chances if a referendum to pay 300-400M in public money to the arena isnt going to fly.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 26, 2015 10:57:56 GMT -6
This is directly from the Dodds board. Could it be any clearer what most Marquette fans want? If this doesn't get your blood boiling, I'm not sure that you care about our great university. This goes to UWM administrators, too.
"If the owners want it at the journal /arena site so be it, just get it done. Build a taj mahal to allow wojo to recruit the best talent. There will be collateral damage, sorry UW-M."
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 26, 2015 13:25:17 GMT -6
This is directly from the Dodds board. Could it be any clearer what most Marquette fans want? If this doesn't get your blood boiling, I'm not sure that you care about our great university. This goes to UWM administrators, too. "If the owners want it at the journal /arena site so be it, just get it done. Build a taj mahal to allow wojo to recruit the best talent. There will be collateral damage, sorry UW-M." Ya, I don't like when some write that about UWM. Same can be said for those on here about the Bucks and MU.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 26, 2015 16:41:16 GMT -6
This is directly from the Dodds board. Could it be any clearer what most Marquette fans want? If this doesn't get your blood boiling, I'm not sure that you care about our great university. This goes to UWM administrators, too. "If the owners want it at the journal /arena site so be it, just get it done. Build a taj mahal to allow wojo to recruit the best talent. There will be collateral damage, sorry UW-M." Ya, I don't like when some write that about UWM. Same can be said for those on here about the Bucks and MU. True. Then again, we're not collaborating to knock down their arena or kill their program.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 26, 2015 17:35:10 GMT -6
Ya, I don't like when some write that about UWM. Same can be said for those on here about the Bucks and MU. True. Then again, we're not collaborating to knock down their arena or kill their program. I hear ya. I try to let nameless message board people get to me.
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Post by PantherU on Jan 26, 2015 17:50:06 GMT -6
MUPanther can attest to this - over on the Brew City Ball boards, MU fans have been very supportive of finding a solution that works for everyone, including us. So I don't think cherry picking a statement is real indicative of MU fans' thinking.
My experience in talking to them is this: they want the arena, but they'll go elsewhere unless there's no other option. They really just want the best arena, and those that argue the UWM arena is a better spot freely admit that 4th and Wisconsin is a much better spot.
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Post by striker14 on Jan 26, 2015 20:45:22 GMT -6
Marquette is probably somewhere around 7th on the decision makers list. I would put them somewhere below the state, the county, the city, the majority owners, the minority owners, the potential restaurant owner, and the potential bar owner. Message board fans are probably 600,000th. I wouldn't worry about some random poster on a message board.
That's assuming Marquette actually has malicious intentions towards UWM, which seems unlikely. They don't compete with us for the same students (mostly), they don't compete in the same athletic league, they don't compete for tax dollars, they don't compete really for anything other than a few sports competitions every year. Not everything is a conspiracy.
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Post by BBFran on Jan 27, 2015 9:56:43 GMT -6
The more important thing to understand is that we have no friends -- none -- among the players interested in building a new sports facility. Either the U administration and constituents stand up for our school and program or we will get rolled. The machinery is turning. The only thing standing between men's soccer or women's volleyball being our flagship program, or graduations being done in shifts at the Zelazo Center, is that building. Without the Arena, it will be no exaggeration to say that MSOE, a small, low D3 private college, will have better athletic facilities than the second largest university in the state.
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Post by apaladino on Jan 27, 2015 10:48:13 GMT -6
Outside of Engelmann Field, I think MSOE already does have better facilities...
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 27, 2015 11:11:43 GMT -6
Per NBA mandate, the Bucks have to swing open the doors to their new facility by no later than Nov. 1, 2017 and there's a shovel-ready lot one block away from their existing venue yet they have still to unveil architectural renderings of the Taj Mahal in Jan. 2015.
Doesn't that seem odd to anyone else? Could it be that they're in behind-the-scenes talks for a different tract of land?
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Post by FTA1982 on Jan 27, 2015 11:41:59 GMT -6
Rich Kirchen from the MKE Business Journal was on Chuck and Wickett this morning and sounded pretty positive that the land north of the BC is the primary target. He went into a little more detail in regards to the difficulties the JS Site, Panther Arena, etc would pose if they want to get shovels in the ground.
Gery Woelful made similar comments but that guy is a hack and a clown so I wouldn't take his word too seriously.
As most have said, I will believe it when I see it.
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