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Post by ghostofdylan on Apr 9, 2014 21:35:08 GMT -6
How is this a bad thing? If it wasn't for Butler and Wisconsin, it doesn't seem like anyone would have been studying at the last five Final Fours.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Apr 9, 2014 21:54:23 GMT -6
It's not bad. Just ironic that their good press is in stark contrast to UWM's bad press.
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Apr 9, 2014 22:26:17 GMT -6
Can we get a break, geesh.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Apr 10, 2014 2:37:38 GMT -6
Can we get a break, geesh? No. We are Milwaukee! "Born under a bad sign I've been down since I began to crawl If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all." -- signed Milwaukee fans Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker and Eric Clapton
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Post by pnthr97 on Apr 10, 2014 7:30:43 GMT -6
In all seriousness. I know I'm wishful thinking here but is there anything in jeters contract saying that the buyout is taken away if we have a postseason ban? Just reviewed the contract. There are 2 provisions in play. One requires a one-year extension if the team qualifies for the NCAA Tourney, provided 3 other criteria are met. One of those is to maintain APR so there are no sanctions. So, there is no obligation to extend the contract. I sure as hell hope Braun doesn't extend. This is inexcusable, and completely embarrassing. And, for all that are trying to displace blame on the university for not appealing, etc., stop. Just, stop. This is Jeter's problem that needs to be addressed head on. A 908 APR is pathetic. There needs to be accountability.
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Lutzow10
Freshman
MILWAUKEE PROUD - PANTHER STRONG
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Post by Lutzow10 on Apr 10, 2014 8:59:42 GMT -6
Coaches will always be scapegoats and always be first to go. But in professional and college sports just look at how often coach after coach comes in and nothing changes. The majority of problems come from up top. Its the same at UWM. Only our problems go higher than the AD. And higher than the chancellor. Our biggest problem is UW system not giving us support which leads to Chancellors that leave too often Or who don't support athletics, which leads to ADs coming and going because they don't have support, or were hired by idiots, or were idiots themselves, etc. (we have had some major blunders in this department). The AD problem leads to employees in athletics not having leadership that stays and everything under the sun getting f***ed up, no cohesion no working together, people not caring, that leads to coaches that have no support and nobody who can give them what they need to do their job.
If it wouldn't have been for uwm giving him all the money and extensions, Jeter would have been gone on his own terms. And we would have already had a string of coaches as long as our string of ADs.
The point is, We are f***ed on all levels and it would take some major changes to fix this. Like some astronomical changes. A new chancellor who cares about sports and who will stand up to the UW board of regents and president and demand changes in how our school is treated and supported financially, academically, and athletically. If something huge doesn't change/happen, things will remain a clustef*ck for the rest of our existence.
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Post by jrb51 on Apr 10, 2014 9:01:35 GMT -6
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't current Assistant Coach Sharif Chambliss designated Academic Coordinator specifically for basketball the last time he was here? After he left wasn't the role filled to continue to provide academic support to the basketball program?
Yes, there was one "Academic Advisor" for athletics but the premise was your specific school advisor was your primary and the athletics academic advisor was your secondary. This all comes back to student athletes that have left the program and did not do well academically. This shows a historical failure over several years with both the program and the athletic department.
Saying, this is solely Jeter's problem...or the athletic department...or the university...this is a collective problem that falls equally across their shoulders.
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Post by axaguy on Apr 10, 2014 9:03:44 GMT -6
Sorry to hear of the ban for you guys. The very same concern had been discussed often at UIC near the end of Jimmy Collins career there because of the "academically" poor "student" athletes flushing through his program. Especially near the end.
I believe that a player that leaves early negatively hurts your APR score if he/she isn't academically sound and continues to do so until their eligibility period expires. Regardless of performance at a new place or reason for leaving. Could be one or more years............ I also believe that current athletes still at the school but not in good academic standing ALSO impact the APR score.
The argument has been made that teams suffer for individuals performance and that is unfair. Well, consider this. Basketball is a team game and TEAMS win games and championships. Well, the team concept is critical both on and OFF the floor, including the classroom. Shame on the coach and administration for not making that an important team goal as well.
Individual non-athletes on a scholarships risk losing their scholarships due to poor academic performance. The athlete in poor standing may hurt a team's score but still be in school trying to work out their problems when a non athlete may have their scholarship pulled........
Kentucky's one and dones must be leaving "in good standing" or else they would be hurting the school APR big time. Now, how they are doing that might be a topic for another thread..... D Rose and Memphis ring a bell with anyone??
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Post by bballa123 on Apr 10, 2014 9:09:36 GMT -6
Mike Lovell and Rob Jeter are responsible for this. It could have been completely avoided .
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Post by ghostofdylan on Apr 10, 2014 9:12:42 GMT -6
Kentucky's one and dones must be leaving "in good standing" or else they would be hurting the school APR big time. Wouldn't this be a great story for someone to research and write?
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Post by pnthr97 on Apr 10, 2014 9:12:55 GMT -6
I don't blame the system. The system has been in place for quite a few years, and every program is well aware of its requirements. Instead, I call for accountability. Jeter is the department head of men's basketball. Accountability for the players' performance on, and off, the court starts and stops with him.
I have watched the videos, and heard Jeter talk about study hall, academics, etc. And I respect that. At the same time, in those same videos, I hear how the players laugh and scoff at Jeter when he makes those remarks. That's a problem.
Maybe there is a shortage of academic advisors, but the only program with an APR problem is men's basketball. Not women's basketball. Not volleyball. Not men's/women's soccer. Not men's/women's track and field. Not men's/women's swimming and diving. Not tennis. Just men's basketball. That's it.
It is the head coach of each sport to make sure he/she not only brings in quality individuals, but also makes sure they perform in the classroom. This isn't a problem for other sports, just men's basketball.
And as for the transfer issue, it would be a non-issue if those individuals had performed in the classroom while at UWM. Per the press release:
How do you lose points? Teams lose points for two reasons. If a scholarship player leaves at the end of a semester and is not in good academic standing or if a scholarship player is not academically eligible at the end of a semester.
Also, per the same release, the appeal was not denied by the university. Quite the opposite. The university initiated the appeal, AND THE NCAA DENIED IT. There was no lack of support on the university's part.
This is a complete embarrassment and washes away all excitement stemming from the tourney run.
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Lutzow10
Freshman
MILWAUKEE PROUD - PANTHER STRONG
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Post by Lutzow10 on Apr 10, 2014 9:20:26 GMT -6
Apr isn't hurt when guys go pro for some reason
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Lutzow10
Freshman
MILWAUKEE PROUD - PANTHER STRONG
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Post by Lutzow10 on Apr 10, 2014 9:22:30 GMT -6
I have heard that when someone transfers it doesn't matter how well they did at the old school if they don't graduate in 5 years or go pro.
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Post by pnthr97 on Apr 10, 2014 9:29:29 GMT -6
If a student-athlete transfers, or leaves school to pursue a professional career, as long as that student-athlete is meeting the APR criteria, there is no penalty.
In other words, the student-athletes Jeter recruited did not meet the APR criteria when they transferred. That is the bottom line. This is also why Kentucky is on solid ground. When its student-athletes leave for the NBA, they are in good standing.
By the way, I do use the term "student-athletes" loosely.
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boosyourdaddy
Freshman
Was that a travel or a Horizon League pivot?
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Post by boosyourdaddy on Apr 10, 2014 10:06:51 GMT -6
This is not a problem of only having one academic advisor or not enough support from the top, as some have previously mentioned. Are you familiar with the role of academic advisors on this campus? They don't do the players' homework, take their tests, or study for them. An advisor's role is not to check in with instructors and see what the student is doing. This is something that should fall on the men's basketball staff itself. I thought there was someone already on staff, specifically for this (Chris Hill?). The players have more than enough resources and far more/easier/convenient access to them than the average student. Non-student athletes might get 10-15 minutes with their advisors before they are rushed out the door for the next kid and good luck getting an appointment without waiting another few weeks or a month. The athletic department has their own tutors. I think having more than one advisor in the entire department is a stretch, let alone setting someone up specifically for a basketball team. The basketball team gets to select classes before non-student athletes in both fall and spring semesters as I understand it. I don't know what having another advisor is going to do. Its a cop out. Nothing more than that. And a waste of more money the department already doesn't have.
We need to move past this being a punishment to the guys that are here now when it falls on previous years. This punishment is about the entire program, the athletic department and everyone who supports it, not just the student athletes. This isn't something that just popped up. There were warnings and people who knew (one would hope) the exact status the entire time. This is supposed to hurt more than just the young men who have the privilege of wearing that jersey. Don't drop the line about trying to shape these young men if you don't want to take accountability for them not making the grade when they are representing an academic institution first and foremost.
Finally......CAN WE PLEASE STOP BUYING JAMES EAYRS 10 BEERS/GAME UNTIL HE F@CKING GRADUATES?!?!?! The athletic department should be ashamed to have him sitting courtside, obviously intoxicated, hitting up alumni in the Panther Pit for beers, while making jokes about still needing to graduate (which I overheard this past season).
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