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Post by Lutzow10 on Apr 1, 2014 11:09:30 GMT -6
So in the meantime we should be fans of the Badgers? Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards No, not become fans. But, root for them when they are not playing us. Why? What is the point of that
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Post by PantherU on Apr 1, 2014 11:30:11 GMT -6
So in the meantime we should be fans of the Badgers? Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards No, not become fans. But, root for them when they are not playing us. Forgive me if I say that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Yo, Michigan fan, when that game is done go root for Michigan State. Should I cheer for Green Bay when they play Cleveland State because Green Bay is in the same state? Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards
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Post by PantherU on Apr 1, 2014 11:47:11 GMT -6
I have no problem with casual fans playing both sides of the fence. I would prefer people in Milwaukee care about the school with the city's name on the front, but that should be a goal for us in 2014. What shouldn't be a goal for us in 2014 is getting our own students and Alumni to give a sh*t about us.
The problem with split loyalties is that Badger fans live that program 365 days a year and our people live Milwaukee when we're in the tournament. If we owned our own people, then getting 4,000 people to a home game in November wouldn't be like pulling teeth. When the split fan has $100 to buy team merch each year, I want $100, not 50 to us and 50 to that giant ass machine in Madison.
And when we dip out of the tournament early, I want our people to be disappointed, not shrug and move to Madison. I want big donors to own this program like I own this program and these fans on here own this program.
I like Sharif Chambliss a lot and I hope he becomes a millionaire coaching basketball, but I would be lying if I said I didn't smile when a former player called me and left a voice mail saying he practically threw up to see a Badger kissing the Horizon League trophy. Obviously Sharif is a coach and on our side now so I disagreed with him, but the sentiment is true. We need to stop pretending it is OK for the future of our program for our fans to double as Wisconsin fans. We need to stand on our own two feet. That's why we're stuck with a hyphen name. That's why we're stuck with 3k fans a game.
Don't think this is a mid-major thing. This is a Madison thing. Don't blame Marquette. This is a Madison thing.
It's different for guys like Fran and David Nicholas who are alumni of both schools. That's totally fine. But we need to own our students and we need to own our alumni. Otherwise every problem we've been talking about will continue forever.
140,000 alumni. 30,000 students. Move them to us absolutely and we are packing the Cell every single night and we're in the MVC battling Wichita State in St Louis for the title every year.
Own our people, own our future.
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Post by Hack on Apr 1, 2014 11:52:38 GMT -6
How about we let people root for who they want?
I understand the original premise of this thread about Matt being upset with students at his own school (many who don't go to UWM games) showing more pride in the Badgers' run than they did for their own school. That I get, and he has a gripe.
However, I continued to be amazed by those who try to dictate these mythical rules of fandom ... . Those on this board obviously love the Panthers and go to lengths (some greater than others) to show off our Panther pride.
Sports are meant to be a fun diversion and unite communities. If you want to root for the Badgers on Saturday, go ahead. If you want them to lose and for Bucky to hang in effigy, that's your prerogative too.
It's not my place to tell you (or yours to tell me) how you should cheer and why you should/shouldn't cheer for a certain team. Hell, look at my avatar I've had all season. Yeah, I'm not ashamed to admit I openly root for Butler (when they aren't playing Milwaukee of course), and even moreso now that they aren't a conference rival. I respect the hell out of that program and want Milwaukee to aspire to that.
In the meantime, I'm still trying to figure out when I should and shouldn't cheer for the Brewers and the second coming of the anti-Christ, Ryan Braun. The media overlords haven't provided me with a fan instruction sheet for this season.
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Post by BBFran on Apr 1, 2014 12:20:22 GMT -6
Everybody in this thread is right. Fandom is an emotional thing. What Jimmy is saying -- and I agree completely -- is that for our program to reach its potential we need more of our own students and alums to get emotionally invested in it. The best way to do that is for our students to have great fan experiences during their student years. Many of the hardcore members of this board were students during the Pearl run. That's no coincidence. Those great student memories are the gateway to lifelong fandom.
I really hope we can leverage off the basketball program proving that it's a contender again to pull more students into the Cell next year to start creating that emotional infrastructure. Its absence has held us back. I was at every home game last year and a heck of a lot of the road games and it was so disappointing that we didn't have more students. Not disappointing for me, not even so disappointing for the team, which succeeded despite that. To me it was just terribly disappointing for the students. They just don't understand what they are missing, and how much that fan experience can embellish their entire student and alumni experience.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Apr 1, 2014 16:19:02 GMT -6
After reading everyone's posts since I last posted, I can assure you of one thing: I WILL NOT be rooting for the Badgers at all, much less at the suggestion of loveyouso or Super King. I don't care if they are the least evil of the 4 teams left. I respect Bo Ryan, and am happy for him personally. That is where it ends for me.
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Post by tyrunner0097 on Apr 5, 2014 8:06:18 GMT -6
I respect Bo Ryan, and am happy for him personally. That is where it ends for me. This, I agree with. Was happy for Bo, but that's where it ends. Otherwise, don't care. I watched the WI/Ari game at 1250 studio with Sparky and fellow intern Evan, both of whom were screaming at the TVs the whole last few minutes of the game, and I was just sitting there.
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Post by loveyouso on Apr 5, 2014 12:08:48 GMT -6
After reading everyone's posts since I last posted, I can assure you of one thing: I WILL NOT be rooting for the Badgers at all, much less at the suggestion of loveyouso or Super King. I don't care if they are the least evil of the 4 teams left. I respect Bo Ryan, and am happy for him personally. That is where it ends for me. I am sorry, but I am not in this "Hate thing". I grew up in Pittsburgh; loved Pitt and liked PSU. As I have moved around the country I have watched each team when I could (Until PSU fired "Joe Pa"). This year I went to 18 games. Do I think that is a lot? No, two years ago I went to about twice as many games. Let's see how many games you bloggers ( a number of whom went to Milwaukee in the BP days) go to when you are 75 years old. Anyhow, I saw 7 Milwaukee, 4 Marquette, one GB (UVA) and the NCAAs. I may be the only blogger here who did not watch One minute of the 'Nova game. Why? I was watching a classic between TX and AZ State. TX was coached by Rick Barnes, who coached a former co-worker while Rick coached at Mason. The co-worker adored Barnes. As far as following the Badgers, I was maybe the only one in Buffalo Wild Things watching UD - Stanford rather than WI- Baylor. Why? I've been in UD arena WAY more than I have been in the Kohl Center. Also watched "Jumping Johnny " Dawkins when he played HS ball in DC. Tonight? Who knows? John Calipari. a Pittsburgh area guy, who graduated from a small school in Western PA (Clarion) may get my support. The point is that I will not be rooting against he Badgers, because they are our supposed rival or that a Badger loss means something to the Milwaukee Panthers or whatever convoluted logic some of you on this blog use. Why don't you Milwaukee fanatics let people decide for themselves, who they want to support.
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Post by jhart05 on Apr 5, 2014 17:50:22 GMT -6
"Why don't you Milwaukee fanatics let people decide for themselves, who they want to support."
I don't know, seems to me that's what people are doing.
I don't believe anyone told you you can't root for Calipari.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 6, 2014 0:24:56 GMT -6
After reading everyone's posts since I last posted, I can assure you of one thing: I WILL NOT be rooting for the Badgers at all, much less at the suggestion of loveyouso or Super King. I don't care if they are the least evil of the 4 teams left. I respect Bo Ryan, and am happy for him personally. That is where it ends for me. I am sorry, but I am not in this "Hate thing". I grew up in Pittsburgh; loved Pitt and liked PSU. As I have moved around the country I have watched each team when I could (Until PSU fired "Joe Pa"). This year I went to 18 games. Do I think that is a lot? No, two years ago I went to about twice as many games. Let's see how many games you bloggers ( a number of whom went to Milwaukee in the BP days) go to when you are 75 years old. Anyhow, I saw 7 Milwaukee, 4 Marquette, one GB (UVA) and the NCAAs. I may be the only blogger here who did not watch One minute of the 'Nova game. Why? I was watching a classic between TX and AZ State. TX was coached by Rick Barnes, who coached a former co-worker while Rick coached at Mason. The co-worker adored Barnes. As far as following the Badgers, I was maybe the only one in Buffalo Wild Things watching UD - Stanford rather than WI- Baylor. Why? I've been in UD arena WAY more than I have been in the Kohl Center. Also watched "Jumping Johnny " Dawkins when he played HS ball in DC. Tonight? Who knows? John Calipari. a Pittsburgh area guy, who graduated from a small school in Western PA (Clarion) may get my support. The point is that I will not be rooting against he Badgers, because they are our supposed rival or that a Badger loss means something to the Milwaukee Panthers or whatever convoluted logic some of you on this blog use. Why don't you Milwaukee fanatics let people decide for themselves, who they want to support. Just about any momentum or traction the Panthers gained with the student body and alumni was erased when Bucky made the Final Four and proved, once again, that it is the better bet and "better program." There will be students who will refuse a chance to go to Panther games next season because the Panthers "suck," when the reason they suck is because they got beat by 20 in the first round of the NCAA Tournament while Bucky Badger made it to the Final Four. This isn't convoluted logic. This is reality. We're not sitting here with an abacus and talking about the program in vague ideas and distant theories. We know the campus community. That's what sucks about this. I'm breathing easier tonight because the sell is a bit easier than it would be if Bucky had won through Monday night.
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Post by loveyouso on Apr 6, 2014 12:34:57 GMT -6
Just about any momentum or traction the Panthers gained with the student body and alumni was erased when Bucky made the Final Four and proved, once again, that it is the better bet and "better program."
There will be students who will refuse a chance to go to Panther games next season because the Panthers "suck," when the reason they suck is because they got beat by 20 in the first round of the NCAA Tournament while Bucky Badger made it to the Final Four.
This isn't convoluted logic. This is reality. We're not sitting here with an abacus and talking about the program in vague ideas and distant theories. We know the campus community. That's what sucks about this.
I'm breathing easier tonight because the sell is a bit easier than it would be if Bucky had won through Monday night.
Had a problem getting quotes to work. There are 2 separate issues . 1. Is not supporting your school. because a "neighboring" school has a better program. I consider that as abominable behavior. 2. Supporting the "neighboring" school when your school is not involved. I consider that to be acceptable behavior. Since you know your campus (and I don't) I accept that # 1 is the attitude for a lot of Milwaukee students. That would be like a student or alum of Duquesne, in Pittsburgh (where I went), following Pitt in Basketball rather than the Dukes, because Pitt is a perennial NCAA tournament team and the Dukes haven't gone there in 40 years (or whatever). I would regard that attitude as contemptible. But, I would think that is OK to support Pitt when the Dukes season is done. (usually after the A-10 tournament.) This season I went out to the Chancery to watch Pitt-Syracuse in their first meeting. Discovered Duquesne was playing VCU and watched that instead. I also remember turning down a chance to see Pitt and WVU, in Football, to watch Duquesne and CMU (DIV 3) play just down the street. BUT, that does not mean that I don't support Pitt when a Duquesne game is not available.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 7, 2014 11:30:03 GMT -6
Madison is not our rival in men's basketball. We have not earned it on the court. But they should be. We should be challenging them on the court. Every game should be a knock down drag out. We should try to win at least 50% of those games, not try to win one of those games.
It's a different situation. Madison can afford to have its fans cheer on UWM on the side because they're already there. They don't need our people, it's just nice to add on.
We need our people if we're going to climb out of our current level. So we need to win that game, consider them a rival even though we haven't earned it yet, and reject them and their whole program.
Marquette people will understand this. I hope one of them who reads this board backs me up on it. Would you ask them to cheer for Bucky in the Final Four?
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Post by loveyouso on Apr 7, 2014 12:46:16 GMT -6
Madison is not our rival in men's basketball. We have not earned it on the court. But they should be. We should be challenging them on the court. Every game should be a knock down drag out. We should try to win at least 50% of those games, not try to win one of those games. It's a different situation. Madison can afford to have its fans cheer on UWM on the side because they're already there. They don't need our people, it's just nice to add on. We need our people if we're going to climb out of our current level. So we need to win that game, consider them a rival even though we haven't earned it yet, and reject them and their whole program. Marquette people will understand this. I hope one of them who reads this board backs me up on it. Would you ask them to cheer for Bucky in the Final Four? Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards As I have tried to explain Pitt WAS Duquesne's big basketball rival. They still play once a year. I have been a Dukes fan since grade school. BUT, if Duquesne is not playing I root for Pitt. In Football Pitt's big rival WAS Penn State. I root for both schools, and have travelled to away games for both schools. So, yes I would expect Marquette fans to have supported WI, all things being equal. Did I root for the Badgers against UK. No, John Calipari is a Pittsburgh area guy. Went to Clarion, a small school about a hundred miles NE of Pittsburgh, thus I rooted for UK the other night. Did I root for Calipari's UMASS teams, when they played the Dukes? No, of course not. But, I generally root for his teams. I don't claim to understand your logic in not supporting the Badgers in the Final 4. If, I do not root for the Badgers it is because I have some affection or affiliation with the other team. I would not, and would not encourage others to root against them just because they are a POSSIBLE rival of the Milwaukee Panthers. If, you rooted for Baylor because you like Homer Drew's son, and admire the job that he has done at Baylor, fine. Or if you footed for AZ because you admire and like Sean Miller (as I do), fine. But to root AGAINST the Badgers , because you support the Panthers is in my minds incomprehensible. I was raised to like. I was not raised to dislike.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 7, 2014 14:11:55 GMT -6
You really don't get the concept of rivalry, do you?
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Post by jhart05 on Apr 7, 2014 15:18:05 GMT -6
You really don't get the concept of rivalry, do you? Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards I think you just need to move on BP. He's never going to understand why we don't, and won't, root for Madison.
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