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Post by longtimefan on Feb 26, 2014 16:30:58 GMT -6
Here's a case for giving Jeter more time. It's a reach but hear me out. I see as many GB games as UWM nowadays, and maybe Jeter is like Kowalczyk. PMCK was always a decent recruiter but his teams were reliably unpredictable at UWGB. Beat Wisconsin one week, or beat Butler when they were Top 25, and then lose by 20 the next game to a lesser program. (not totally unlike UWM) Eight years at Green Bay, and they never even made the Horizon finals never mind the NCAA or NIT. But his last two years they did win 22 games and make the CBI or CBA or whatever. I was glad he moved on. But, I hate to say it, he was probably becoming a better coach all along. Inherited a 5-25 Toledo team and now 3 years later their like 24-2 and top 30 RPI, almost a lock for the NCAA. (I hope they don't). I don't know what that means. Either it's not hopless if Braun has to keep Jeter. Or that only if he goes to a different program will he ever get over the hump. I think as was the case with PMKC - and I think that's a good comparison - is that it was better for both parties to move on. GB is a better program now, and PMKC has obviously found a home with Toledo. An amicable severance would be the best scenario in Milwaukee's case, but I highly doubt it's even remotely possible until this contract is - finally - up. |
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Post by PantherU on Feb 26, 2014 16:36:44 GMT -6
Jimmy is still obviously passionate about the program. I no longer am. I'm interested, but now I'm mostly numb. Like many others, I favor the ouster of Rob Jeter (sorry, but if record doesn't matter, they would neither put up a scoreboard nor pay the head coach upwards of a half-million dollars or more). Having said that, before I give one dime toward the hiring of the next head coach, I want to know who's doing the hiring and how the hiring is being done. Please no dog-and-pony shows in front of an eight-member board of exclusively faculty members. Unlike with the hiring of the school's athletics administrator, I want people with a vested interest in the men's basketball program making the decisions. Start, for instance, with David Nicholas and David Gruber and maybe bring Harris Turer back to the fold. Haha, passionate about the program? He has on blinders! The HC isn't passionate about the program. The program is a mess. Have Jimmy hire the next coach....oh wait, He still thinks Jeter is the man. LOL! I think Rob Jeter and his current staff are excellent people who are in a difficult position. The circumstances around them have always held them back. We may never know what kind of coach Jeter could have been with the full support of the university behind him. As for you, I think you're a detestable little troll who isn't man enough to put his own name to his words. Not one person who reads this board has a hint of doubt as to who I am. I own every word I've ever said, good or bad, and everyone knows what is attributed to me because I don't hide behind a screen name. In fact, most people on this message board are known in some capacity among the fan base. You? You're a coward. It takes a big man to stand behind a curtain and hurl insults without having to own what you say. |
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Post by longtimefan on Feb 26, 2014 16:36:49 GMT -6
Thanks, 97, you said it better than I could.
PMKC apparently became a better coach, but it was only after he left UWGB, where fans were glad to see him go. He would have been hearing the same thing Jeter is (if he's listening) the next year, if he stayed.
And I understand that the situation is different because Kowalczk was only making maybe $125-$150 when he left, and Jeter is several times above that. At that salary, a lower or equal program isn't going to "steal" him like Toledo did to Green Bay. PMCK was worth the risk (8 or 9 years and no tournament) for a 5-25 program.
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Post by amusedspectator on Feb 26, 2014 17:46:48 GMT -6
LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 18:46:15 GMT -6
Haha, passionate about the program? He has on blinders! The HC isn't passionate about the program. The program is a mess. Have Jimmy hire the next coach....oh wait, He still thinks Jeter is the man. LOL! I think Rob Jeter and his current staff are excellent people who are in a difficult position. The circumstances around them have always held them back. We may never know what kind of coach Jeter could have been with the full support of the university behind him. As for you, I think you're a detestable little troll who isn't man enough to put his own name to his words. Not one person who reads this board has a hint of doubt as to who I am. I own every word I've ever said, good or bad, and everyone knows what is attributed to me because I don't hide behind a screen name. In fact, most people on this message board are known in some capacity among the fan base. You? You're a coward. It takes a big man to stand behind a curtain and hurl insults without having to own what you say. A difficult position??? As if he didn't create the climate himself??? What did BO and Bruce have to work with that Jeter doesn't??? I am confounded!!! At least Jeter took over a winning program with a growing culture. Bo and Bruce had nothing! |
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Post by yuhayden on Feb 26, 2014 21:11:26 GMT -6
I think Rob Jeter and his current staff are excellent people who are in a difficult position. The circumstances around them have always held them back. We may never know what kind of coach Jeter could have been with the full support of the university behind him. As for you, I think you're a detestable little troll who isn't man enough to put his own name to his words. Not one person who reads this board has a hint of doubt as to who I am. I own every word I've ever said, good or bad, and everyone knows what is attributed to me because I don't hide behind a screen name. In fact, most people on this message board are known in some capacity among the fan base. You? You're a coward. It takes a big man to stand behind a curtain and hurl insults without having to own what you say. A difficult position??? As if he didn't create the climate himself??? What did BO and Bruce have to work with that Jeter doesn't??? I am confounded!!! At least Jeter took over a winning program with a growing culture. Bo and Bruce had nothing! +1 In the past, much more has been done with much less. Multiple times. |
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Post by gman2 on Feb 26, 2014 21:19:22 GMT -6
Haha, passionate about the program? He has on blinders! The HC isn't passionate about the program. The program is a mess. Have Jimmy hire the next coach....oh wait, He still thinks Jeter is the man. LOL! I think Rob Jeter and his current staff are excellent people who are in a difficult position. The circumstances around them have always held them back. We may never know what kind of coach Jeter could have been with the full support of the university behind him. As for you, I think you're a detestable little troll who isn't man enough to put his own name to his words. Not one person who reads this board has a hint of doubt as to who I am. I own every word I've ever said, good or bad, and everyone knows what is attributed to me because I don't hide behind a screen name. In fact, most people on this message board are known in some capacity among the fan base. You? You're a coward. It takes a big man to stand behind a curtain and hurl insults without having to own what you say. In a difficult position? This is an old and tired argument. He has had enough of the support of the university to get unwarranted contract extensions. If getting a contract extension at his salary isn't enough support, than what more does he want. And no, a state of the art $30 million practice facility isn't going to help. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 26, 2014 21:39:15 GMT -6
You don't think a new practice facility would help the basketball program?
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Post by Hack on Feb 26, 2014 22:08:15 GMT -6
Jeter is making well over $400K/year. I wish my employer didn't support me like that.
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Post by gman2 on Feb 26, 2014 22:24:33 GMT -6
You don't think a new practice facility would help the basketball program? No |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 26, 2014 22:58:34 GMT -6
It doesn't matter. Either way, we're spinning our wheels here. It's not like the program is building toward anything meaningful. Maybe we're 20-14 next year and maybe we're 9-22. Who cares? There's just nothing at all to be excited about. |
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Post by milwsport on Feb 26, 2014 23:41:09 GMT -6
UIC guy here. "Worst loss of all time"? Really? Yea, we were 0-14 in the HL and in last place by 6 games. However, in 7 of those losses, we had the lead in the last 5 minutes of the game. One game we lost on a 3-pointer at the buzzer (at Oakland). In our first game this year against UWM, we had a 13-point lead at the half. In other words, we're not a horribly bad team--we just crapped our pants in crunch time---until last night. Why so hard on yourselves? Look back on the pre-season prognostications (UIC picked for 7th place, UWM a distant last). All things considered, you guys have had a pretty good year. Good luck in the HL Tournament. I don't know if it was the worst of all time but it sure was the worst in the last few years. Regardless of what happened in games you had the lead in, the fact is that UIC lost those and every other HL game they played until tonight. Regardless of the predictions, the fact is also that Jeter makes 200 to 300k more than any other coach in the HL. For that kind of money it's not unreasonable to expect that we will regularly contend for the league Title. Certainly upsets will occur, but sending the fans to the off season with the bad taste of a 20 plus point spanking at home on senior night, and administered by an 0-14 team is beyond inexcusable. |
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Post by milwsport on Feb 26, 2014 23:49:02 GMT -6
Haha, passionate about the program? He has on blinders! The HC isn't passionate about the program. The program is a mess. Have Jimmy hire the next coach....oh wait, He still thinks Jeter is the man. LOL! I think Rob Jeter and his current staff are excellent people who are in a difficult position. The circumstances around them have always held them back. We may never know what kind of coach Jeter could have been with the full support of the university behind him. . Jimmy I like your passion but the reality is that this is the hand Jeter was dealt and it's the one he has to play with. I no longer believe that he can parlay those cards into a winning hand. Others are right. Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl started with far less and yet they succeeded, drew crowds and put excitement back in the program. Back then we fought for the league title. Now we try and fail to get an HL tournament home game. Jeter and his staff are great guys. They just aren't the right fit for us. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 0:47:06 GMT -6
As Hack said, posters here are free to speak their mind, however hair-brained those posts might seem- (certainly directed toward me (thanks, Hack!) and a handful of others who are proud of a team picked for last and yet had a chance to get a bye, DID beat the top H-League team on the road (almost swept 'em- no doubt), and have shown flashes of greatness).... Yeah. We are most definitely "Krazy" to think any Jeter team can win and prove themselves against all odds.
I do think we will get beaten down by Detroit. Probably by double-digits.
But all that matters is the HLT. If we lose in the 1st Rd. on the road (which is likely going to be our fate)- so be it.
A team picked for last at least mustered an inconsistent yet respectable '13-'14 campaign (but also a team who obviously has potential to beat anyone in this H-League- including Valpo and CSU and Wright St. and Detroit- all of whom seem to be able to steal our lunch money, laugh, and chalk up the embarrassment as our "Forever Downfall"....).
An "inconsistent as can be" team picked for last may very well reach the Semifinal. BET me on it. PM me. (and I am not a betting man, but I have a feeling something is going to turn around real soon..).
Call me Krazy (any opine is OK on the board, right Hack?)- but I think if all the stars align, this Milwaukee team can still redeem itself. Our Panthers can still make us proud.
It ain't over until the fat lady sings, "Have a Great Flight.... Have a great flight outta here".
I predict the Milwaukee Panthers will win 3-4 more games before all is said and done. Statistics tell me Milwaukee will wind up shy of an NCAA birth- but will come closer than anyone here or any outsider would ever expect.
The UIC game was atrocious. But so were the other thrashings we didn't expect. UIC was due for a breakout win (or our players "threw the game" as many gambling sites suggest..).
My money is on the Milwaukee Panthers- Kelm, Jay-O, Malcolm, et all deserve our support until the season is over. If you say otherwise? Post on another board- come up with a new board that is entirely dedicated to HATING on the Panthers.
I believe.. this Milwaukee team will lose to Detroit... but then do some things in the HLT that nobody will have seen coming. I honestly think/predict we will win 2-5 more games. We've too much talent to duck down and give up. We are better on the road than at the Cell it seems...
Just watch. Pillory me when we lose to Detroit and then lose again to DMU or YSU on the road in the 1st Rd of the HLT. I will take it in stride and admit I was too optimistic. But statistics always fall back to the mean. And if that happens?
Look out H-League.
Laugh all you want. I am as disgusted as the most die-hard Panther fan about our recent struggles. But I am confident that we have a very good shot to be that Dark Horse who gallops forward despite all odds.
I wish I could be a pessimistic curmudgeon like so many on hear who forget we were picked for LAST in the League and only post when the ship is taking on water... But I never will be. Until that final buzzer sounds and we are 1 or 2 and done in the HLT? I will continue to believe this talented team can out-play whatever coaching deficiencies we have. Cleveland State? Green Bay? Valpo? YSU? Detroit? Bring it mf'rs.
And yeah- Jay-O's absence is most definitely a big reason we're on a 4 game skid. Saying that a 4 game suspension for a positive THC test is "diligent/correct" is your own prerogative. But I didn't hear any talk of "previous suspensions being too lenient" until this happened. Selective choices of drugs? I'll let you decide and pick and choose which NCAA infractions are warranted for excessive suspension or not. I wish you knew what Pearl's players were doing- you might have to re-calibrate your "moral authority". I was there. Seen stuff first-hand. Nothing morally bad- but definitely stuff that you are trying to jam down Jay-O's throat. Ooops. Maybe a little too vivid for your liking. But that is what you are doing- it's called HYPOCRISY.
I know exactly whom you were referring to Hack (me). The only time I see you post is when Milwaukee's chips are down. I only wish you could think outside of the Negative Nancy box you have decided to live within.
And I'll predict the next follow-up comment- "LMFAO- victorpanther is a mongoloid subhuman retard!!!".
Nobody will be laughing their ass off if we can somehow pull together and at the very least win 2-4 more games...
WE WERE PICKED FOR LAST IN THE HORIZON. WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SETTLE SOME SCORES AND MAKE SOME WAVES- EVEN IF ONLY IN THE H-LEAGUE TOURNEY.
I understand the consternation- but I wish people would have some friggin' perspective. We are a Mid-Major. We have over-achieved this season by a long-shot. The win at UWGB got many peoples' hopes up... But to me? I see this team as a Dark Horse threat in the HLT. They just need to believe in themselves and the games will be WON.
Call me: "KRAZY". Peace!!!!! (to all the Debbie Downers acting like the season is already over).
Cheer up. As MUPanther said- it's just a [*******] GAME. Find a new outlet for your anger and hate. It does nothing but alienate more and more potential fans who see this team as one that may have the potential (this or in the final 2 seasons of Jeter's ironclad contract)- to WIN BIG.
My bet is on the MILWAUKEE PANTHERS.
Was that too crazy Hack? Do you want me to edit it? Should I morph into an apathetic curmudgeon who seems to get enjoyment only off of stirring up hate against the current program?
Lemme know! But really, I don't care. I root for MILWAUKEE- regardless off the odds.
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We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Feb 27, 2014 3:55:27 GMT -6
As I sat in my seat prior to the game starting last night I couldn't help but remember the Cell full to capacity back in the day. I like Jeter, I like his family, I liked talking to his Dad and Father-in-law, so part of me feels guilty wishing for a coaching change. I thought after the last GB game things were turned around, but it hurts to be let down again. I don't need a winning team, just a competitive and entertaining team. There's something about hiring a coach that has never had a head coaching position in any division. Perhaps he just wasn't ready for division 1. I will, however, continue to support all UWM sports teams. This is a winning team. Milwaukee's worse case scenario is 16-15, which the last time I looked was a winning record. Loveyouso, you can delude yourself all you want by pointing at our possible "winning" 16-15 record (15-15 vs D-I), but let's face it, that record was built by playing one of the worst schedules in the country, which makes our record meaningless in the land of NCAA Division I basketball. You do realize that in an ENTIRE SEASON, we currently have just FOUR (4!) wins against teams with winning D-I records, right? (Green Bay [19-5], Davidson [16-11], Wright State [15-13], and Alabama State [12-10 *349 SOS*])... Because it sure sounds like you either A) don't realize that, or B) want to ignore that fact, for whatever reason, so that you can point at our record like it means something that it doesn't. Newsflash, this isn't the Cub Scouts, where they give out achievement ribbons. Heck, even in a Rec league I doubt most people would be happy or proud to finish 16-15 when playing 2/3rds of their games against severely inferior opponents! To further hammer home the point that this team is in fact a very bad team whose "winning" record is meaningless, we have eight (8!) losses to sub-150 RPI teams, but just 3 wins against the Top 150. We are a TERRIBLE TEAM, one who has built a .500 record by playing an atrocious OOC schedule, which is why we are likely to finish in the bottom half of a down Horizon League (possibly 8th of 9 teams!). The fact of the matter is, we die-hard fans simply didn't want to see this reality earlier in the season due to hope and excitement (myself included). Apparently you're the last delusional one left, because playing and barely beating enough "Sisters of the Poor" to give us an above .500 record really means something to you. Maybe, one day, your expectations will be higher... like qualifying for the CBI or CIT. #RaiseYourSights |
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