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Post by milwsport on Apr 15, 2013 19:07:30 GMT -6
It's not in the online version of the paper, but the JS had an article today stating that Loyola (not UIC) has accepted an offer to join the Missouri Valley Conference.
The article mentioned Loyola upgrading its facilities. In other words, for some strange reason, the MVC wasn't interested in schools that play in souped up High School gyms.
I'm not sure how this affects although it will obviously have an effect.
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Post by milwsport on Apr 15, 2013 19:09:14 GMT -6
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Post by PantherU on Apr 16, 2013 11:48:52 GMT -6
As far as competition, it's addition by subtraction. Loyola is second behind YSU as the worst Horizon program since 2000. Even this year, when we were "so bad," they finished only two games ahead of us and were 8th in the Horizon.
Recruiting takes a hit. It'll be harder to recruit Chicago for every Horizon League team except UIC, since we all now need to find another Chicago game to say "we play more than once in Chicago every year."
Travel takes a hit, as presumably any new team would be further than Chicago.
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Post by striker14 on Apr 17, 2013 10:05:55 GMT -6
Sucks for the horizon league, but also for the MVC. We can't really afford to lose more teams, but the MVC didn't exactly get the cream of the crop with this pickup. Not sure why, when Valparaiso is right there, they would take Loyola. I know they've been investing more in their program recently, but they're just not very goo.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 17, 2013 14:14:28 GMT -6
Sucks for the horizon league, but also for the MVC. We can't really afford to lose more teams, but the MVC didn't exactly get the cream of the crop with this pickup. Not sure why, when Valparaiso is right there, they would take Loyola. I know they've been investing more in their program recently, but they're just not very goo. I'm going to sound like a broken record for just a moment. Please excuse me. FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! Thanks for being patient.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Apr 18, 2013 8:45:01 GMT -6
Don't underestimate the power of location either.
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Post by gman2 on Apr 18, 2013 10:00:51 GMT -6
Sucks for the horizon league, but also for the MVC. We can't really afford to lose more teams, but the MVC didn't exactly get the cream of the crop with this pickup. Not sure why, when Valparaiso is right there, they would take Loyola. I know they've been investing more in their program recently, but they're just not very goo. I'm going to sound like a broken record for just a moment. Please excuse me. FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! Thanks for being patient. FACILITIES? Please explain what facilities advantage Loyola has over UIC? It's obviously is not facilities alone.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 18, 2013 12:14:22 GMT -6
I'm going to sound like a broken record for just a moment. Please excuse me. FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! FACILITIES! Thanks for being patient. FACILITIES? Please explain what facilities advantage Loyola has over UIC? It's obviously is not facilities alone. Read the piece I quoted. He was asking why Loyola would be picked over Valpo.
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Post by illwauk on Apr 18, 2013 12:23:18 GMT -6
FACILITIES? Please explain what facilities advantage Loyola has over UIC? It's obviously is not facilities alone. The private schools in the MVC apparently lobbied for Creighton's replacement to also be private so they didn't have to worry about being overrun by the state schools in the future. Granted, I still think Jimmy's point stands since facilities are the only advantage UIC really has over us if the MVC looks to expand again. Especially now that they got their all-important Chicago presence.
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Apr 18, 2013 13:04:09 GMT -6
Anything is better then the high school gym. Anything!
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Post by Pantherholic on Apr 19, 2013 13:09:50 GMT -6
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Post by Hack on Apr 19, 2013 17:22:24 GMT -6
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Post by PantherU on Apr 19, 2013 22:02:41 GMT -6
I think, after today, I've gained a little trust in LeCrone. I know this is weird, but hear me out:
He responded to not getting Valpo or Oakland by scrambling to add YSU in 2001. This time, he's taking his time, evaluating schools, getting himself good and ready to make a decision.
Without adding a school and losing two, LeCrone has made the HL jump from the 14th best conference to the 11th. Without stopping Loyola from leaving, he weakened the MVC and strengthened us with addition by subtraction.
Now, he can add two or four schools and the conference can move even farther up.
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Post by Rambler63 on Oct 22, 2023 10:34:11 GMT -6
As far as competition, it's addition by subtraction. Loyola is second behind YSU as the worst Horizon program since 2000. Even this year, when we were "so bad," they finished only two games ahead of us and were 8th in the Horizon. Recruiting takes a hit. It'll be harder to recruit Chicago for every Horizon League team except UIC, since we all now need to find another Chicago game to say "we play more than once in Chicago every year." Travel takes a hit, as presumably any new team would be further than Chicago. Here is a man who knows what he's talking about.
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Post by Rambler63 on Oct 22, 2023 10:34:49 GMT -6
I think, after today, I've gained a little trust in LeCrone. I know this is weird, but hear me out: He responded to not getting Valpo or Oakland by scrambling to add YSU in 2001. This time, he's taking his time, evaluating schools, getting himself good and ready to make a decision. Without adding a school and losing two, LeCrone has made the HL jump from the 14th best conference to the 11th. Without stopping Loyola from leaving, he weakened the MVC and strengthened us with addition by subtraction. Now, he can add two or four schools and the conference can move even farther up. Yep, an insightful genius with abilities beyond you and me.
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