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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 19:11:54 GMT -6
What do you think needs to change BP? Obviously stability at the top spot, but what else?
These new accusations, and that's all they are right now, are horrible for the program! Using racial slurs at student-athletes and the opposition? The men's soccer program could be set back for years because of extremely stupid decisions by the staff.
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Post by apaladino on Mar 6, 2012 19:40:02 GMT -6
Knowing the coaches, I don't see it. I've seen them interact with adults,teenagers, and grade school age kids and never once did either of them come across as that type of person. I don't buy it. It doesn't pass the smell test. This stuff would have gotten out sooner, not just in an email to alumni. It sounds like sour grapes from someone.
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Post by Super King on Mar 6, 2012 20:04:47 GMT -6
Quote from the link: Furthermore, the e-mail indicated that those complaints were reported to UWM athletic department officials in November 2011, and suggested that the information was sent to alums because the athletic department did not act on the allegations. If this turns out to be true, then major changes are needed in the Athletic Department. Again. This doesn't mean that the Athletics Department didn't do anything about it, it only means that the problem persisted after it was brought to the AD's attention. For all we know the coaches could have been reprimanded or fined behind closed doors.
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Mar 6, 2012 21:12:02 GMT -6
Terrible. Its getting harder and harder to be a Panther fan with this continued mediocrity and unprofessional standards. I miss the steadily improving program that characterized the Bud Era. When I was a student at UWM, I enjoyed watching basketball players like Tigert, McCants and Tucker. Soccer? The L-Train, the Dombrowskis and Antou. My, how things have changed. Manny Lagos. Gerard Lagos. Tony Sanneh. Old School, good times.
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Post by nohopspanther on Mar 6, 2012 21:36:25 GMT -6
Quote from the link: Furthermore, the e-mail indicated that those complaints were reported to UWM athletic department officials in November 2011, and suggested that the information was sent to alums because the athletic department did not act on the allegations. If this turns out to be true, then major changes are needed in the Athletic Department. Again. This doesn't mean that the Athletics Department didn't do anything about it, it only means that the problem persisted after it was brought to the AD's attention. For all we know the coaches could have been reprimanded or fined behind closed doors. It doesn't mean the problem persisted or even exists at all, it means the person who is complaining was not satiated between November and now. For all we know this is a witch hunt and now the AD is acting out publicly with the administrative leave until he can deal with the complainant effectively.
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Post by mwu on Mar 6, 2012 21:51:54 GMT -6
Knowing the coaches, I don't see it. I've seen them interact with adults,teenagers, and grade school age kids and never once did either of them come across as that type of person. I don't buy it. It doesn't pass the smell test. This stuff would have gotten out sooner, not just in an email to alumni. It sounds like sour grapes from someone. I agree, I've played against Coach Whalley in beach soccer games, and talked to him about about my thesis (he was the most approachable and offered the most helpful comments compared to anyone else in the AD). I've had nothing but positive experiences with him. It would be truly disappointing if he left.
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 6, 2012 22:05:24 GMT -6
This doesn't mean that the Athletics Department didn't do anything about it, it only means that the problem persisted after it was brought to the AD's attention. For all we know the coaches could have been reprimanded or fined behind closed doors. It doesn't mean the problem persisted or even exists at all, it means the person who is complaining was not satiated between November and now. For all we know this is a witch hunt and now the AD is acting out publicly with the administrative leave until he can deal with the complainant effectively. You both could be correct. All I am saying is that IF this really happened, and IF the AD covered it up, then heads will roll.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 6, 2012 22:36:04 GMT -6
I'm being inundated with phone calls and text messages from current and former players, as well as alumni. This...doesn't look good.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 6, 2012 22:49:51 GMT -6
What do you think needs to change BP? Obviously stability at the top spot, but what else? My response to this, I'm realizing, isn't for public consumption. Check your PM's. These new accusations, and that's all they are right now, are horrible for the program! Using racial slurs at student-athletes and the opposition? The men's soccer program could be set back for years because of extremely stupid decisions by the staff. They're true - by the word of at least 3 players in the locker room who are declining to go on the record at the moment.
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Post by firsthand on Mar 7, 2012 11:40:40 GMT -6
....Know from direct experience with him.... Everything being reported in the media is true, and then some. It is not pampered players, but a systemic problem with his leadership ability. I have been waiting for the rest of the community to become aware, and predicted that he would eventually reveal his true nature somehow if he continued on this path...
This is what he said when hired: "I am excited to make the move to division one and a bigger school," Whalley said. "There will be new challenges for me at UWM but I am very proud of the body of work I have at Lees-McRae. I am looking forward to connecting with the players, alumni and the soccer community of Milwaukee."
That last sentence is something he is just not capable of. Too young, too immature, too blinded by his own prejudice and pride to develop players and unity. I hope, for the sake of current and future UWM players and alumni, that he is fired soon.
When he was hired, I seem to remember that some insightful blogger on this thread pointed out that Whalley's success in D2 came from importing former pro players from England to play at the collegiate level. He did not recruit and develop U.S. talent. This blogger predicted his ultimate failure here for that reason.
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Post by apaladino on Mar 7, 2012 11:57:26 GMT -6
....When he was hired, I seem to remember that some insightful blogger on this thread pointed out that Whalley's success in D2 came from importing former pro players from England to play at the collegiate level. He did not recruit and develop U.S. talent. This blogger predicted his ultimate failure here for that reason. What is the goal of all collegiate coaches? WIN How do you develop a top notch program? WIN Could it be that Coach Whalley wanted to create a winner by bringing in talent from overseas, and then begin recruiting more top notch talent at home? Would it be nice to see homegrown talent? You bet, and the latest recruiting class shows that he was seeking homegrown talent.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 7, 2012 15:46:29 GMT -6
....When he was hired, I seem to remember that some insightful blogger on this thread pointed out that Whalley's success in D2 came from importing former pro players from England to play at the collegiate level. He did not recruit and develop U.S. talent. This blogger predicted his ultimate failure here for that reason. What is the goal of all collegiate coaches? WIN How do you develop a top notch program? WIN Could it be that Coach Whalley wanted to create a winner by bringing in talent from overseas, and then begin recruiting more top notch talent at home? Would it be nice to see homegrown talent? You bet, and the latest recruiting class shows that he was seeking homegrown talent. Here's my problem with this statement right here. These English players who are so much better, I'm not so sure. I think the truth is that if the English players actually were better, they wouldn't be here in the first place. Instead, they'd be playing for 60k a year in a lower-tier English League.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 13:42:23 GMT -6
Whalley was dismissed today.
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Post by apaladino on Mar 23, 2012 13:47:34 GMT -6
By "national search" I hope they don't mean Whitewater or Oshkosh.
On a personal note, I am sad to see Whalley go, but glad Benji is still with us.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 23, 2012 22:48:37 GMT -6
This job needs to go into the hands of alumni who care about the future of the program.
Before anyone goes and points out that Jon Coleman was an alumnus, let me cut you off by saying he was 1) underqualified, and 2) in a power struggle from day one with an assistant, negatively affecting his ability to win over his players.
What's Manny Lagos up to nowadays?
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