mwu
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Post by mwu on Nov 30, 2011 19:38:43 GMT -6
illwauk, I might agree with you if we had MP 20 yrs ago when games were still played in MKE. Old folks correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the NFL had the same easement/barrier requirements they do now. In addition, I don't think player safety was as large a concern as it seems to be now. But you're absolutely right that the point is moot since the brewers don't like anyone breathing on the grass, it might get a toxic overdose of CO2.
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Post by gman2 on Nov 30, 2011 21:41:47 GMT -6
There's 30,000+ seats at the Milwaukee Mile that stay empty about 350 days a year (I believe there is one race at the Mile each year and there is State Fair). Get Big Red/Blue whatever color it is now, to move the bleachers on the curves to the east side and stick a football/rugby/soccer field in the current infield. Plenty of parking for tailgating and bars within walking distance or shuttle from downtown West Allis. Enough space on site to make it an event at every game.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 1, 2011 2:33:02 GMT -6
If we were an established program who sold out a 20,000-seat stadium with a long season-ticket waiting list, I'd agree with the Mile. But we're starting a program from scratch, and having a brand new team off of campus just doesn't make sense to me. It makes more sense to wait the time needed to get the team on-campus or within a mile or two.
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Post by BBFran on Dec 1, 2011 9:12:45 GMT -6
I can't imagine a less attractive venue for college football than the Mile. Among other things, a mile is about how far fans in the grandstand would be from the field. Not to mention the ten miles from campus.
You'd kill the program before it ever started.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 1, 2011 11:46:37 GMT -6
I can't imagine a less attractive venue for college football than the Mile. Among other things, a mile is about how far fans in the grandstand would be from the field. Not to mention the ten miles from campus. You'd kill the program before it ever started. The distance from campus is the real thing that kills me. If the "Innovation Park" was established and had thousands of undergrad students living there, not just grad students, it wouldn't be terrible. As far as the stadium itself, I don't think it would be an option if the track remained intact; instead, I think the barrier wall would be taken out, the ground raised and the field put right in front of the seats. It doesn't matter though. Let's stop talking about the Mile and MP as if they're options. Let's talk about locations near campus and the kinds of facilities you'd build.
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Post by skrapheap on Dec 1, 2011 15:44:13 GMT -6
It doesn't matter though. Let's stop talking about the Mile and MP as if they're options. Let's talk about locations near campus and the kinds of facilities you'd build. Be glad to, Jimmy.
UWM should use eminent domain to acquire the properties of all the neighborhood complainers about the university, combine the properties into one big parcel, and build a stadium on that. Win-win
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Post by illwauk on Dec 1, 2011 16:18:47 GMT -6
illwauk, I might agree with you if we had MP 20 yrs ago when games were still played in MKE. Old folks correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the NFL had the same easement/barrier requirements they do now. In addition, I don't think player safety was as large a concern as it seems to be now. I think the lack of space looks much worse on the overhead shots than it really is. Here's TV footage of a Packer game at County Stadium from 1977. There might have been a couple areas where the white "warning track" that surrounds the field may have had only a three or four foot barrier (opposed to the standard five), but it wasn't (and wouldn't, in the case of Miller Park) be anything close to this.
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Post by Hack on Dec 1, 2011 17:16:38 GMT -6
What a clusterf*** that Northwestern game was.
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Post by thegreengull on Dec 1, 2011 17:29:55 GMT -6
Greetings to the Milwaukee Panthers Discussion Board! I am new to the board and this is my first post. I am a panther fan and I’m quite interested in the prospect of the Panthers starting (or actually bringing back) football to the university. Here is a link I found discussing the possibility of using the Milwaukee Mile as a venue for Major League Soccer. The link is from jsonline and is from all the way back in July, 2007. www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31879799.htmlThe idea that was floated back then was to build a soccer field on a tray in the infield that would be retractable. The tray would be normally stationed in the infield and would be rolled over the track so that the playing field would sit flush up against the grandstand for game days. The concept is based on the University of Phoenix Stadium in Phoenix, AZ where the football field can be moved in and out of the stadium. I personally don’t think this is the best option for where the Panthers should play but it’s at least an interesting proposition.
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Post by gman2 on Dec 1, 2011 22:39:01 GMT -6
If we were an established program who sold out a 20,000-seat stadium with a long season-ticket waiting list, I'd agree with the Mile. But we're starting a program from scratch, and having a brand new team off of campus just doesn't make sense to me. It makes more sense to wait the time needed to get the team on-campus or within a mile or two. My questions would be: 1. How long are you talking? A decade or two? 2. Where are you going to get the money to build a stadium from scratch? Don't we need to build a basketball arena first? 3. How many will this from scratch stadium hold? From a regional perspective State Fair is centrally located and has the potential to bring in fans from areas that won't go to games on the upper east side of Milwaukee. So I guess it depends on what fan base you are catering to, the students and fans from the east side and near west side or the regional fan base. Will the Upper east side location have room for tailgating? Milwaukee has a fan base that loves tailgating. University of Southern Florida plays 14 miles from campus and seems to do pretty well in attendance, and they compete against an NFL team for fans interest. And while not 14 miles or ten miles, there are other examples of team that play away further from walking distance from the university. UTSA plays about five miles from campus as does Pitt.
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Post by illwauk on Dec 2, 2011 8:09:53 GMT -6
I think we can shut down any idea that playing at State Fair would somehow "regionalize" the fan base. Any fan who wouldn't go to Milwaukee's eastside is likely already loyal to the Badgers or doesn't care about college football at all.
Besides, Eastern Milwaukee (the parts of Milwaukee that are east of the highway... i.e. places like Bay View, Third Ward, Riverwest in addition to the East Side/campus area) has a population of close to 300,000 including the highest concentration of Panther alums in the state, and that's not even counting places like Shorewood and Whitefish Bay. It's more than enough to support a program at the MAC level, let alone the FCS level.
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Post by thegreengull on Dec 7, 2011 21:29:25 GMT -6
What are the best sites near campus that the university could realistically build a football stadium which would be suitable for the FCS or MAC? I think this has been mentioned on here before, but I think the land directly south of Riverside High School and north of Park Place would be ideal. In the Image Below… The red box would be the stadium site which should be big enough for a stadium with a capacity between 20,000 to 30,000 people. Also, this site would include a few parking lots on the far south end of the site which is represented by the purple box. Also, the blue box would be the main entrance of the stadium, and would include a pedestrian plaza which would directly connect the stadium site to Oakland Ave. Also, I think the Wisconsin Paperboard Company site would be an excellent site for the athletic village. The north end of the athletic village could have parking lots that could be utilized for both events at the football stadium and events being held at the athletics village. I’m interested to hear everyone’s thoughts on this idea. And I’m also very interested in any other suggestions or possible locations for the football stadium. Thanks, and Go Panthers!
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Post by DunneDeal on Dec 8, 2011 9:23:22 GMT -6
Build a stadium there and Riverside HS would be a for sure tenant. They and I hated never having a true home game we always played our home games at Pulaski Stadium.
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Post by illwauk on Dec 8, 2011 14:13:08 GMT -6
Build a stadium there and Riverside HS would be a for sure tenant. They and I hated never having a true home game we always played our home games at Pulaski Stadium. As a Washington Purgolder, I feel your pain... we ended up playing most of our "home" games at Custer. I'd be happy with either the Riverside or Paperboard Company sites, although I'd prefer the latter. I can already hear Bucky's boys talking s**t about us "playing on a high school field" regardless of how clear it is that that's not that case.
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mwu
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I am U-Dub U-M
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Post by mwu on Dec 8, 2011 16:06:22 GMT -6
As a fellow MPSer, Rufus King grad, I would totally be behind almost any stadium project that would help City football. illwauk check out my thesis work if you haven't already, jimmy did an article on pantherU for me. pantheru.com/2011/09/29/basketball-arena-design-leaked/You could easily see how a football venue could work in conjunction with my ideas. I agree almost totally on using Riverside Park. It is no longer the Olmstead dreamed oasis it once was, so I have no problem making a physical link to Newberry Boulevard. What a grand entrance it could be, homecoming parades marching down the street to the plaza. The only problem with what you marked for development, was turning the Urban Ecology Center in to a parking lot. We should work with them to make our stadium the most ecologically sustainable stadium in the country. Now that would be a huge marketing tool for the U.
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