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Post by panthersteve on Apr 8, 2011 11:21:45 GMT -6
Very very interesting.... at the end of the day still think best bet is focusing on mens basketball with an on campus arena and an athletic village for track and field, soccer and most importantly a decent place to play Division 1 baseball instead of the disgraceful toilet we have for D 1 baseball
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Post by BBFran on Apr 8, 2011 11:42:41 GMT -6
I like Rick and have no problem with him daydreaming for a few minutes a year about football.
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Post by easy on Apr 8, 2011 12:05:02 GMT -6
How many scholarships are given to men's baseball?
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Post by mikes1988 on Apr 8, 2011 12:45:46 GMT -6
Do all of our women’s sports offer the maximum number of scholarships? If not, we would be able to make up the difference that way without having to add more sports. That would save money by not having to add additional coaches, incur additional travel expense, etc.
I like the idea of adding football as long as we do not cut a men’s sport to get the scholarships in line.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 8, 2011 12:47:33 GMT -6
How many scholarships are given to men's baseball? 11.7 scholarships for baseball. Which is one reason I wouldn't be for cutting it. If it were 25, and we'd only need cut baseball to add football, I'd consider it. But the scholarship level is small, and women's sports relatively cheap, so I wouldn't cut the one sport that gives us an identity separate UW and MU. I'm sorry Fran, but as a UW grad and fan you have no need for a Panther program. Funny enough, a $100 fee increase for students, at 32,000 of them, is $6.4 million a year - almost completely paying for that annual budget. In comparison, UNC-Charlotte students in 2009 agreed to a $312 increase - despite the fact that almost every student who voted would be gone by the time football started. Why did they do that? Season-tickets. Here's my offer - any students who pay a football fee get a free season ticket for every year they pay the fee. Outgoing seniors who pay one year get a free season ticket for one year, juniors two, so on and so forth. Say our stadium seats 20,000. You guarantee 5,000 seats per season, and any alum who paid the fee and wishes to cash in their free season gets put in a lottery. Every year, a new 5,000 are put in, and the previous season's winners get the opportunity to re-up their tickets at full price without getting moved. That way people that paid the fee and really want to go to games can do so. You keep that lottery going until there are no more seats left in the stadium, and the lottery continues as a waiting list. Did I just pay for everything but the stadium and a $1 million increase to the budget? I think I did. ______________ As far as the other sports and men's basketball are concerned, I think you'll find that interest in the program overall increases a ton with football coming in, and you can parlay that addition by beginning a "Milwaukee's going Big Time" campaign, which will focus on building the new arena and baseball stadium (or securing Miller Park as a full-time home). Please, someone try and poke a hole in it. My break is over and I'd love to have stuff to dispatch when I get off of work later.
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Post by easy on Apr 8, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -6
Perhaps, but if you look at the numbers. Dropping baseball would leave you with 43.5 scholarships for Men. Now adding football would give you 106.5.
Using the 54% ratio you would only need to Add 12 women's scholarships. So you add softball, which is probably a wash budget wise and you should have the scholarships in range. I don't think the majority of the student body would even notice Men's baseball disappear.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Apr 8, 2011 14:08:57 GMT -6
I like Rick and have no problem with him daydreaming for a few minutes a year about football. I could've said it better myself.
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Post by Hack on Apr 8, 2011 14:43:35 GMT -6
I like Rick and have no problem with him daydreaming for a few minutes a year about football. I could've said it better myself. What would you have said then?
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Post by easy on Apr 8, 2011 14:49:00 GMT -6
I could've said it better myself. What would you have said then? ;D
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Apr 8, 2011 14:49:09 GMT -6
I could've said it better myself. What would you have said then? Some needs to stop smoking their pipe.
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Post by buppie05 on Apr 8, 2011 15:33:20 GMT -6
Where would we even play football games? Miller Park?
Does anyone know where we used to play football games?
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Post by PantherU on Apr 8, 2011 17:49:20 GMT -6
Where would we even play football games? Miller Park? Does anyone know where we used to play football games? Miller Park is a baseball stadium and should stay that way. We originally played football on campus, on the space now occupied by Chemistry, Lapham and EMS. We also played football in County Stadium a few times, but the two places we spent most of our time were Shorewood Stadium (the same place SHS plays football now) and Marquette Stadium for the last couple years of the program. As I said, offering the Paperboard Corp money for their land would be the best way, so long as we could build on it (with the whole river property rules) - I would expect we would, since a football stadium is a lot nicer to look at than a paper factory. If we can't get that land, like I said - there are many places in our general 5-mile area that would be perfect for a stadium; and they would allow for tailgating as well. Best case scenario would be the Paperboard Corp. The bar owners on North Ave would flip their sh*t in celebration if this happened.
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Post by BBFran on Apr 8, 2011 21:16:37 GMT -6
I actually agree that the Paperboard site is, geographically, about the only sensible place you could put a football stadium to obtain any proximity to campus. Automotive ingress and egress would be a nightmare, of course (assuming you could ever attract more than 5,000 people to a game, which I doubt) and I don't know ifyou could ever get past the environmental permitting issues with a river site.
But as one of the very few members of this board who has actually attended a UWM varsity football game, you'll forgive me my extreme skepticism. Jimmy, if a magic hand came down and dropped $75 million in our laps to start a football program, I'd think that was great. I would also know we would never compete with Wisconsin or any other B10 school. The best we could hope for would be something along the lines of a MAC level program. In fact, that's probably where we would have to hope to end up, since there is no other conference we would remotely fit in. It would probably take 10 years to get to that level, and if we did, we might be able to attract 15,000 to the games. That would actually be a very good crowd by MAC standards. Would that be worth all the risk, money and effort over 10 or 15 years? I guess each of us would answer that differently.
For me, any time, effort or money spent on football given the extreme needs our athletic program has right now would be an example of the perfect being the enemy of the good.
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Post by wauker on Apr 9, 2011 0:19:57 GMT -6
For now on I'm ending all my emails with "GO PANTHERS!!!", with respects to Rick and the future of Panther Athletics. I suggest that all you panther fans out there do the same. Let's see is we can get the trend to carry across Panther Nation.
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Post by PantherU on Apr 9, 2011 1:45:02 GMT -6
I wouldn't presume to try a MAC program. What's the use? You go undefeated and not get a chance to play for a championship? Screw that.
I'd much rather be an MVC program and compete for a National Championship - a real one. Football at UWM through the early 70's is as far back as a UWM Big Ten team is forward. This is an entirely different program, school, and city than it was when the Panthers last played.
Big Ten? Not now, not for a long time. A whole lot of infrastructure would need to happen - I mean, we're talking 50 years down the road before it's even a question, and who knows what the college sports landscape will be like then.
I wouldn't have put in the time and effort to research all of that if the thousands of students I talked to given almost the same response: I'd be more apt to follow sports here if football were one of them.
As far as the resources, the money I have set aside in that breakdown would be the money spent on fielding a national championship contender at I-AA FCS.
If you don't think it can support itself, if you don't think it can be successful, if you don't think it can be done, look no further than Old Dominion. Or Georgia State. Or any of the dozen or so programs that have been added in the past 15 years, no need to even mention South Florida.
As far as football in the state of Wisconsin goes, there's a void in I-AA and II that has made Whitewater a national power, the WIAC the best conference in the nation, and almost 200 Wisconsin-born kids playing football in D-I outside their home state.
There's room, Bucky. Scootch.
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