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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 10, 2009 9:33:01 GMT -6
It was difficult for Rob because his top 7 players left after one year, and he was just learning how to be a head coach. Not to mention, he wasn't able to build any momentum on the recruiting trail. Make no mistake, comparing Bo to Rob or Bruce to Rob is not a good comparison.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Dec 10, 2009 9:34:50 GMT -6
It was difficult for Rob because his top 7 players left after one year, and he was just learning how to be a head coach. Not to mention, he wasn't able to build any momentum on the recruiting trail. Make no mistake, comparing Bo to Rob or Bruce to Rob is not a good comparison. That's the problem, though; with the expectations our program had, you're expected to pick it up pretty quickly.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 10, 2009 9:36:28 GMT -6
Not disagreeing with you at all...just stating facts. If Rob was of the caliber of Bruce or Bo, we'd be in 1st or 2nd by now.
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Post by longtimefan on Dec 10, 2009 9:59:34 GMT -6
Here's what GB's success last night shows the Panthers...
Get three good guards (and GB's are really good right now) playing at their peak and you can dictate the matchups and pace and beat good teams.
Cotton is a great athlete, he gets up in the air on his catch and shoot jumpers. He has to, he's about 6-1, tiny for a shooting guard. and Perine might have gone to a bigger program if he wasn't 6-3 (with a 6-7 wingspan) but only about 140 pounds. Still, Milwaukee should have both of those guys. Theyre playing better ball than anybody uwm has right now.
UWM would look better if Tone were playing.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Dec 10, 2009 10:00:54 GMT -6
Not disagreeing with you at all...just stating facts. If Rob was of the caliber of Bruce or Bo, we'd be in 1st or 2nd by now. And here's our conclusion ;D
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 10, 2009 10:04:58 GMT -6
Which is why there were questions asked as to why Haidet deviated from the formula that led to the success in the first place: hire a guy who's won a sh*t-ton at a lower level, and if UWM is a "stepping-stone," so be it.
The other option is the Butler model, ie bring up assistants already in the program OR a guy who knows the system inside and out. Instead, we hired a guy with no experience and outside of the system.
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Post by panthersteve on Dec 10, 2009 10:32:19 GMT -6
I don;t think even with Bruce or Bo we would be in first or 2nd with this group.....problem is if it was Bruce or Bo we would have a lot better group to begin with due to better recruiting....
You know, Bo had more talent in his short time here and barely finished above .500 in a league not as good as it is now so not sure what that means or proves...
Biggest problem I see is Rob knows the x and os but does not recruit as well because he is nowhere near as inspiring a salesmen. He is a nice low key guy but no panache... great top assistant.. Head Coach (CEO)?? Time will tell....
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Post by uwm97 on Dec 10, 2009 11:10:17 GMT -6
I disagree with you on that, Steve. Good coaching usually trumps talent. I'm pretty sure Bruce Pearl could take what he has on this team and beat Hillsdale by more than 8. Like I said earlier, this team has the pieces to take Marquette to the wire, but the schemes don't match the talent on the floor. The talent isn't what it should be, but the coaching isn't properly utilizing the talent it does have.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 10, 2009 11:17:35 GMT -6
I don;t think even with Bruce or Bo we would be in first or 2nd with this group.....problem is if it was Bruce or Bo we would have a lot better group to begin with due to better recruiting.... You know, Bo had more talent in his short time here and barely finished above .500 in a league not as good as it is now so not sure what that means or proves... I disagree. It has a lot more to do with what you do with that talent. I think we have enough talent to finish second in this league, however we don't develop it or use it correctly.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 10, 2009 11:17:56 GMT -6
UWM would look better if Tone were playing. A very important statement to remember....
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Post by panthersteve on Dec 10, 2009 11:18:28 GMT -6
UWM97... see your point... The disconnect though is look at 04 -05 and 05=06- same team basically, different coaches and results virtually the same....my biggest beef is that recruiting fell WAY off under Rob and that goes back to the salesmanship motivational part...hope we did not hire a guy because of his assocation with Bo Ryan rather than real head coach abilities, then after one year give a big extension and salary increase without proving he can win or recruit on his own...not saying he can't but time is marching on and we are nowhere close to even seriously sniffing a conference or tourney champsionship and post season bid. Not to say it can 't happen but we have made long term investments here and in the Cell maybe prematurely... time will tell.. lets hope it works or three years from now we will be back to 100's not 1.000's in the Cell and a disheveleed old professor singing the Alma Mater song...
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 10, 2009 11:22:36 GMT -6
In regards to this recruiting issue ...
What were Bree Perine and Randy Berry last year? Two seasons ago? Two years ago, Bree Perine was the epitome of an afterthought. But he grew and developed in a system and by his junior year, he's bordering on stardom. Berry? A virtual slug for his first two years (actually three, with a redshirt) in the program, last year a serviceable, role-playing big man and this year a double-double machine (this makes three, for you counting at home). Can't believe I'm saying this, but Kowalczyk is starting to remind me of Bo in the way he develops players within the framework of his system and elevates them to a spot in the rotation after other, more experienced players cycle out. When tapped, they're ready when their time arrives.
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Post by JG Panthers on Dec 10, 2009 11:27:28 GMT -6
Can't believe I'm saying this, but Kowalczyk is starting to remind me of Bo in the way he develops players within the framework of his system and elevates them to a spot in the rotation after other, more experienced players cycle out. When tapped, they're ready when their time arrives. I just threw up in my mouth...
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Post by panthersteve on Dec 10, 2009 11:34:40 GMT -6
me too and I just swallowed it because may be true sadly....
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Post by PantherLou on Dec 10, 2009 13:05:11 GMT -6
The problem this program is having is quite simple: we have the wrong players for the system we're trying to run. I would settle for someone explaining to me exactly what type of system we are supposedly running. Because I’m at a loss for explaining it. <--------------- Maybe we need to run the D.E.N.N.I.S. System?? At least I am no longer the lone Debby Downer. Misery loves company, I guess... And there's a LOT of company these days.
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