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Post by PantherU on Feb 5, 2008 16:49:37 GMT -6
www.uwmpost.com/article/52/18/3034-Theft-from-Campus"Theft from Campus" By Jimmy Lemke Sports Editor sports@uwmpost.com Note: SFC pays 1/3 of Athletic Department funding, however the 77 dollars and change from each student per semester is one of the lowest out of all 341 D-I schools.
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Post by famouspnthrfan on Feb 5, 2008 16:54:04 GMT -6
I read that in the post yesterday, well done Jimmy!
I also read some awesome news regarding Chancellor Santiago and his efforts to improve athletics. Any way you could post that too?
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Post by PantherU on Feb 5, 2008 16:57:59 GMT -6
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mwu
Sophomore
I am U-Dub U-M
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Post by mwu on Feb 5, 2008 17:09:20 GMT -6
indeed good stuff jimmy. SA sucks!!
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Post by gopanthers011 on Feb 6, 2008 0:48:48 GMT -6
Jimmy, I like it. The SA SHOULD give more money to the Athletic Dept. In reference to your article, how is the athletic department supposed to go to the SA with a plan when they don't even know how much money the SA will give them? The SA has some work to do. As a student, and someone who genuinely cares about athletics, I would definitely be more than willing to dish out some more money to the Athletic Dept funding directly; instead of via SA. Also, I like the way Chancellor Santiago wants our athletics to improve. Hopefully he'll take his fundraising ability to the athletic dept. now.
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Post by DunneDeal on Feb 6, 2008 1:32:31 GMT -6
Can students speak at the Student Finance Committee meetings?
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Post by gopanthers011 on Feb 6, 2008 1:50:56 GMT -6
Can students speak at the Student Finance Committee meetings? Hopefully. That could be key.
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Post by PantherU on Feb 6, 2008 12:17:47 GMT -6
That second article made me wary...it sounds more like Santiago is saying "they have to improve with their little resources" than "im in their corner."
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Post by nighthawk on Feb 6, 2008 14:08:35 GMT -6
That's what I took from it, as well. Not exactly encouraging.
Time for Carlos to put up pr shut up, me thinks.
I'm still waiting for the $125 million style fund raiser for athletics.
Come out with a grand vision to get people excited and then solicit donations. The same way he did with the Engineering campus.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Feb 6, 2008 15:28:53 GMT -6
There is much more potential for UWM in academics than athletics.
I'm not sure what the grand vision for our athletics would be. We have a respectable arena for our basketball team and we can't even fill seats. Our soccer team doesn't need a new field. Our baseball team does, but we have no place to put a field around campus. We can't start a D1 football team (which is the TRUE moneymaker for sports programs). We just upgraded the Pavilion.
I wouldn't expect too much money to be pushed to athletics any time soon.
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Post by nighthawk on Feb 6, 2008 16:02:53 GMT -6
Oh, I suppose you're right.
The AD is SWIMMING in money, and has more than they could EVER need.
Furthermore, our athletics facilities are the best in the nation. Better than UW, better than MU, and better than USC.
There is absolutely nothing that any more moeny could do for any of the programs.
Recruiting budgets are bursting at the seams.
Coaches are never tempted to leave for better pay.
We are in thebest conference in all of the NCAA, and better facilities wouldn't improve that situation either.
Jeez.
I'm sure WUWM needs all kinds of extra money, though. I'm sure their 10 listeners would love to get paid to listen. A new transmitter might expand their lister base to almost 20 or 30!
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Post by uwmfutbol on Feb 6, 2008 16:36:15 GMT -6
People won't donate the money if they know it's for athletics. UWM got donations because what helps UWM will help the city (business partnerships, new facilities etc.). Face it, PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT UWM ATHLETICS. I don't like it, but we can't even remotely fill the stands for our most successful, money-making sport.
I'm aware that athletics fund many universities in this country, but we are a LONG way away from that happening at UWM. In fact, as long as we don't have a football program, I'm not sure it will ever happen. The Packers and the Badgers (football) are kings in this state.
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Post by PantherU on Feb 7, 2008 13:56:48 GMT -6
Actually, we remotely fill the stands, and a few things can up that. People don't care about UWM athletics, I understand. But that doesn't mean it has to stay that way. We have to MAKE people care. And we have to MAKE them care long-term. It's possible - it's hard, but it's possible.
In my sporadic research over the last year or so into how we would start a football team, every passing second makes me realize that UWM Football might better be off in the past. The only way it can work is if we have a bottomless pocket alumni who would be willing to stack a pile of green into football. And we realize that unless pantherlou, dylanrocks or myself become billionaires, that wouldn't likely happen.
What we CAN do is improve the teams we do have.
Here's a hypothetical situation:
How can this school make more money off the athletic department? A better basketball team
What makes a better basketball team? Better players, great coaching staff. Jeter and co. are great.
How do you get better players? Recruiting, hookers.
What makes recruiting more effective? World-class facilities, saucy coeds.
How do you get world-class facilities? Tap the alumni and/or state for the cash to build an arena.
What also comes with that new arena? Butts in the seats! People want to see a new arena. UNI went from 4800 per game a couple years ago to 6900 the next year - think that was coincidence?
A great arena, like Montana's Dahlberg Arena, UNI's McLeod Center, or Drake's Knapp Center, can put the kind of jolt into a program that will add a lot of fans and give the coaches a monster recruiting tool.
What do the coaches at UWM need the most to get the recruits they want? A great on-campus arena. That and the money to travel where they need to are probably the best bets.
Say UWM builds an on-campus arena...I say on-campus because UWM needs to own the land and the building...they save 500,000 dollars PER YEAR. Do you know UWM loses money by hosting in the Cell? Great place to watch a basketball game, downtown works well for amenities, but it's sterile and costs 500k to rent every season. This is why UWM needs to take buy games elsewhere, because they need the money to pay rent in a place that puts them in the red right off the bat.
Not to mention, how awesome would it be for high school recruits to come into a building that is everything black and gold, and has a state-of-the-art locker room and lounge area? I know I'd be overwhelmed...seating capacity doesn't matter to a recruit, a UWM on-campus arena of 7k would blow away the red and blue Cell in a heartbeat.
Let's look into that.
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Post by milwsport on Feb 7, 2008 14:27:49 GMT -6
Getting back to your original point about the fee. Two things should be noted:
1) The fee comes from students but not many students attend the games 2) The SA is elected from the student body. Any group of students can put together a campaign and run for office.
Also Jimmy I don't think we're paying 500k a year for the Cell. That would mean we're putting out 31,000 a game in rent. I believe the original agreement (which has probably changed by now() was something like $2,500 a game.
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Post by DunneDeal on Feb 7, 2008 17:24:33 GMT -6
Well then...I say we group some students together and run for SA...our groups name will be..ooo the Klotsche Krazies...run for office..and kill areas on campus..like all the underused Resource Centers and pour it into Athletics
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